L2 charging speed recently dropped 33%

[Shayne]

Does a Q-tip fit all the way around the AC pins with equal tightness? If the Q-tip is tighter on one side than the other, the pin could be bent.

Otherwise you could have some other issue with the connections on the backside or a faulty temp sensor that's reading high.

Needed to rip some of the cotton off so it fit in and yes the same all around. I can provide a pic if it helps but so far my dealer wants to hear nothing about it and will not acknowledge what Ford did to my car. Others show ups and downs which some have described as a yo yo effect in their charging. Mine is a drop and is just a lot slower; once it drops it does not go back up. There is something wrong here now for the last 5 months but I can not even get it looked at. @kdryden99 got his fixed with a new charging port but he had the DTC code. Mine must be below 105 but above 80 C so no possible fix for me. There is something wrong with it but not even a diagnoses. Guess after a SOBDMC, two HVJB's and door fault hardware they want nothing more to do with this car.

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[mkhuffman]

Needed to rip some of the cotton off so it fit in and yes the same all around. I can provide a pic if it helps but so far my dealer wants to hear nothing about it and will not acknowledge what Ford did to my car. Others show ups and downs which some have described as a yo yo effect in their charging. Mine is a drop and is just a lot slower; once it drops it does not go back up. There is something wrong here now for the last 5 months but I can not even get it looked at. @kdryden99 got his fixed with a new charging port but he had the DTC code. Mine must be below 105 but above 80 C so no possible fix for me. There is something wrong with it but not even a diagnoses. Guess after a SOBDMC, two HVJB's and door fault hardware they want nothing more to do with this car.

I bet if you can convince the dealer to replace the charge port it will resolve your issue. I do agree with you, however, that the derate seems more sensitive than it was before.

But it is hard to prove that because my car is two years old, so of course the charge port on my car is not new and is worn. So of course it also makes sense that the derating I am seeing is due to wear and tear, and not related to a software change at all.

BTW - I have not cleaned my charge port yet. One day I will follow Lee's instructions and see if it makes a difference. I have a feeling it will.

 

[kennethjk]

Maybe it is wear and tear but so many of us have it at the same time.

someone on the forum had their port replaced and it didn’t help.

If it’s not software it’s just another recall in the future for a subpar part

went test driving other EVs last weekend and called a Porsche dealer to find out about the Macan EV. That won’t be available until late 2024 or early 2025 about the time my option plan is up.

curious what the next 17 months in the MME will bring us.

 

[Shayne]

I bet if you can convince the dealer to replace the charge port it will resolve your issue. I do agree with you, however, that the derate seems more sensitive than it was before.

But it is hard to prove that because my car is two years old, so of course the charge port on my car is not new and is worn. So of course it also makes sense that the derating I am seeing is due to wear and tear, and not related to a software change at all.

BTW - I have not cleaned my charge port yet. One day I will follow Lee's instructions and see if it makes a difference. I have a feeling it will.

Awful weird that they release software to de-rate them and mine gets de-rated at exactly the same time. Maybe wear and tear but facts say different. Can you see the wear and tear I can not.

 

[Shayne]

Maybe it is wear and tear but so many of us have it at the same time.

someone on the forum had their port replaced and it didn’t help.

If it’s not software it’s just another recall in the future for a subpar part

went test driving other EVs last weekend and called a Porsche dealer to find out about the Macan EV. That won’t be available until late 2024 or early 2025 about the time my option plan is up.

curious what the next 17 months in the MME will bring us.

Maybe get one that the charging port lasts longer than 2 years. Right now we have Bic lighter charging ports that need to be replace due to wear and tear every 2 years. It is a consumable like oil and filters.

We only get a chosen few to pick from as dealers are scarce up here. No Porsche dealer here that is for sure. I to am reviewing other EV's as they progress and when they get to a certain point will be swapping. Will be sticking to EV's now. Will be interested in seeing the Chev Truck. Their blazer as well as how the VW bus fairs. Then the Kia's and hyundai's are around. I think we are here for a few years anyway unless we go back to ICE. Hoping people looking for cheaper second hand EV's becomes a fad soon (5 years or so).

 

[Peugfan]

My charging rate yo-yo beween 9.5 kw and 7 kw continues (since mid June) even after a q-tip cleaning of charge port pins. The pins looked pretty much pristine and the pins straight even before the cleaning. The cleaning had absolutely no effect on the charge curve profile.

 

[Logal727]

Maybe get one that the charging port lasts longer than 2 years. Right now we have Bic lighter charging ports that need to be replace due to wear and tear every 2 years. It is a consumable like oil and filters.

We only get a chosen few to pick from as dealers are scarce up here. No Porsche dealer here that is for sure. I to am reviewing other EV's as they progress and when they get to a certain point will be swapping. Will be sticking to EV's now. Will be interested in seeing the Chev Truck. Their blazer as well as how the VW bus fairs. Then the Kia's and hyundai's are around. I think we are here for a few years anyway unless we go back to ICE. Hoping people looking for cheaper second hand EV's becomes a fad soon (5 years or so).

Don't get an Ioniq 5 or EV6, they overheat charging at 48 amps.... it's a well known issue, also lots of 12v issues as well. There's no perfect vehicle atm, maybe a Tesla if you can bear the looks.

 

[Mach-Lee]

Awful weird that they release software to de-rate them and mine gets de-rated at exactly the same time. Maybe wear and tear but facts say different. Can you see the wear and tear I can not.

Hard to tell from that pic. Pins look straight. I see some striations on the left pin, can’t really see the contact surface on the right pin.

Also, why is there a plastic film on your charge port?

 

[azerik]

Maybe it is wear and tear but so many of us have it at the same time.

someone on the forum had their port replaced and it didn’t help.

If it’s not software it’s just another recall in the future for a subpar part

went test driving other EVs last weekend and called a Porsche dealer to find out about the Macan EV. That won’t be available until late 2024 or early 2025 about the time my option plan is up.

curious what the next 17 months in the MME will bring us.

MY FFE has over 91,000 on it. Charges with no issues other than it can't go above 6.6kW anyway as the OB charger is maxed. Never cleaned the pins and only had to plug/unplug at least every 70 miles to get to 91,000. Leaving DCFC out of this it looks like they just reused the same specs from the FFE and then were amazed that they're having problems after charing at 10kW for MME's. Is the Lightning suffering this?

I've now spent almost $1200 on EVSE's trying to be able to charge this car at 40+ amps, only to step it all back down to 32amps and give up. The frustration level is still climbing. Add the fact dealers keep hitting me up "Are you still interested in a new GTPE?" If only I had the care to tell the dealers what a pile of excuses this car is becoming. The BEV team is going in the shitter as well. I had a guy just about rage me about "We told you before your P&C can not possibly work because you bought used". When I had 2 emails that state they fixed it and credited me back the 50kW stolen by EA. But knope. Nothing fixed. Another hour with that guy, 2 more excuses and here I sit, still, still thinking about a GTPE because it rides better. But guess what? I'd still have to charge at 32amps and worry. It's about time to start shopping around. Take the $30k shot in the ass for the 'value' crashing and go find a beach to forget about 2023.

Is it time for a Social Mutiny against Ford?

I'm not entirely sure why the customers are the ones footing the bill and pain for this shit anymore. What's it take to actually get someone to listen.

 

[Shayne]

Hard to tell from that pic. Pins look straight. I see some striations on the left pin, can’t really see the contact surface on the right pin.

Also, why is there a plastic film on your charge port?

Took the film off a while ago after cleaning them not like anyone sees it or that would make any difference.

This car has 14,500 miles on it and for the charging port to have wear and tear for how much it has been charged would certainly be something. I see bent pins as a problem but not perfectly straight. What abuse do you see there? If Ford ports only last that long why are others not seeing the problem? I just looked at them again with a light and magnifying glass and I see no striations anywhere. May be you are over thinking it it is a car and if the charging connection is that finicky that is a problem in itself. Got the update and L2 charging no longer charges to purchased spec. Something is wrong but my dealer after 5 month is still waiting for direction from Ford.

 

[kdryden99]

Well it's been over a month now and charging strong at 11kw/h since the new port install. No more throttling at all. Even put 64kw in the other day with no issues.

 

[Shayne]

Well it's been over a month now and charging strong at 11kw/h since the new port install. No more throttling at all. Even put 64kw in the other day with no issues.

Happy to hear that it was the charging port that was defective on yours and replacing it was the fix. We have seen them use software to try to fix hardware before so I am not holding my breath for a fix anytime soon. What has been done is 5 months ago they lowered my charging rate via software to compensate for what appears to be defective hardware and that appears to be the fix. Sound familiar.

Charged last night 15% to 80% start time 9 PM finish time 5:33 AM so 8.5 hours to add 55.4 KW

55.4 KW/8.5 hours = 6.52 KW/hr.

 

[kdryden99]

Happy to hear that it was the charging port that was defective on yours and replacing it was the fix. We have seen them use software to try to fix hardware before so I am not holding my breath for a fix anytime soon. What has been done is 5 months ago they lowered my charging rate via software to compensate for what appears to be defective hardware and that appears to be the fix. Sound familiar.

Charged last night 15% to 80% start time 9 PM finish time 5:33 AM so 8.5 hours to add 55.4 KW

55.4 KW/8.5 hours = 6.52 KW/hr.

This really sucks, I can’t believe they still won't change the charge port. I'm certain that's the issue.

 

[azerik]

After helping a new owner (and the dealer guy with her) to get DCFC working on her car NOT via P&C I had a hell of a time getting the DCFC handle back out of the car. I didn't think the cord was pulling on the charge port as hard as it actually was but the handle was certainly in crooked and the entire port was being pulled. I don't think the cord/handle shrunk while it charged for all of 15 minutes, if anything I'd expect it to stretch a little. I wonder if the cord or plugs on the backside of the charge port are under tension. Which when heated tweak the pins from the DCFC heat.

 

[thenew3]

Did another charging experiment today after I "Cleaned" out the charge port with a bottle of compressed air.

It now charges at 11kw for 70-80% of the time, and then down to 8kw for the 20-30% of the time (tested on a 5 hr 50kwh total charge cycle). What I noticed is now the front vent is open and I can hear some kind of pump/fan noise. It's averaging around 10kwh charge rate over a 5 hour period.

Previously it would charge at 11kw for 20-30% of the time and 8kw for 70-80% of the time, the front vent would stay closed and there would be no pump/fan noise. Average is just above 8kwh charge rate over a 5 hour period.

Both tests were done in garage with ambient temps at 65 degrees.

Now my fordpass app doesn't show any charging info. No charge rate, energy added, amount of time on charger etc. I even tried to uninstall the fordpass app and reinstall. Still doesn't show that info.

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