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Because a horse and a car are completely different things. These aren't. They're both still CARS. Just with different drivetrains.


Just because it has a START button?? Really?


Because there are times when you want to turn the headlights on manually. And sometimes quickly, without fumbling through the screen menu while driving when your eyes are supposed to be on the road.


Because sometimes someone else needs to drive the car. And they need to manually adjust the mirrors.


Because again, you many not be the only one that drives the car. You're not going to spend 10 minutes setting up a full phone profile for your brother when he drives your car home for you, or the valet, or the auto mechanic.


It's sounding like you really want a Tesla, or some other futuristic car that's as anti-car as you can get. Sorry, that's not the Mach-e. It's still a car, with car features 99% of drivers can relate to. And I'm thankful for that because I wouldn't be very interested if they threw everything familiar to us about cars out the window just to be anti-car.
LOL anti-car? Really? What defines a car is being cluttered with buttons?

I've never let someone else drive any of my cars, and that will never change. I buy drivers' cars, for me, the driver.

I've never, ever touched the headlight switch when the car is moving - because it's in "auto."

I've never, ever touched the mirror switch after the first day I purchased a car.

I've never, ever rolled the rear windows down on purpose - I love VW's new "REAR" button toggle that allowed them to get rid of the back row window switches.

Minimize, streamline. No distraction from the drive itself.
 

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LOL anti-car? Really? What defines a car is being cluttered with buttons?

I've never let someone else drive any of my cars, and that will never change. I buy drivers' cars, for me, the driver.

I've never, ever touched the headlight switch when the car is moving - because it's in "auto."

I've never, ever touched the mirror switch after the first day I purchased a car.

I've never, ever rolled the rear windows down on purpose - I love VW's new "REAR" button toggle that allowed them to get rid of the back row window switches.

Minimize, streamline. No distraction from the drive itself.
Ah but they aren't building a car for just you they are building a car for everyone. Some people like switches, some people don't.

Some people take their cars to restaurants with a valet, some people park it themselves.

Some people turn the headlights on when entering a tunnel with a sign "headlights on for safety" before they automatically come on (if they automatically come on).

Some car manufacturers don't put switches everywhere not because it makes the car high-tech but because it makes assembly easier.
 

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EVs should be all about their software, and if Ford can't get something as simple as a dashcam working, why would I trust any of the other software features? I genuinely thought it would have this, it actually never occurred to me when I ordered that something this basic would not be included from Job 1.

I really thought they were farther ahead than I guess they are, now seeing all the signs.
I think others have already said most of what is on my mind about this. It is obvious to me that Ford did a LOT of research with real people in designing the car and the various human interfaces. That's a big reason why we have the center display in the MME. I would venture that is also why they kept a lot of the things like the switches that still exist. I believe they centered the car around what most people want, but also innovating toward the future at the same time.
When I look at a Tesla, it seems more geared toward innovation for innovation's sake. I would be curious what if any research they did with real people and human interfaces. At the same time, I understand that someone has to "push the envelope" and that's fine - there is something for everyone.
If you like that, it's fine. To each their own. But it does NOT mean that a company like Tesla is "further ahead".
A company like Apple is famous for this . . . others get out in front and push the envelope, then Apple comes along, sees the mistakes, and perfects the product that appeals to more people and makes it more easily useful. Think of the Apple Watch. Other "smart watches" didn't have that physical dial on the side. One could argue it is totally unnecessary - but Apple incorporated a legacy physical item from the analog watch world that people were comfortable with and made the Apple Watch a smashing success where others failed by not making their product useful to most people.
One could argue that Ford is more forward thinking, and that Tesla's innovation is all the signs of reckless innovation without regard for actual human interaction. The fact that many of those Tesla features are still labeled as "Beta" is actually alarming to many people.
So, we all have different opinions on design and human interfaces. Buy what makes you happy and is most utilitarian for you, but that doesn't make it more valid.
 

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One could argue that Ford is more forward thinking, and that Tesla's innovation is all the signs of reckless innovation without regard for actual human interaction.
Yep. In my research over the last year on BEVs, I've seen an awful lot of people say they hate the way Tesla went too far with taking a way so many normal access items in the name of "minimalizing" the dash (moving virtually everything to the center screen). The things don't even have an IC driver display for speed/etc, for God's sake. I was shocked to see that you have to look off to the side even just to watch your speed. Hell, I'm surprised they didn't remove the damn steering wheel and make it a virtual wheel on the screen too. Maybe that's in their next model. (OK, joking about that one, but not by much.)

I'm very glad Ford didn't throw out buttons to control some common driving features. To do so would make the car WORSE, IMO. Not better. Seems crazy to me to make the vehicle LESS convenient.
 

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Yep. In my research over the last year on BEVs, I've seen an awful lot of people say they hate the way Tesla went too far with taking a way so many normal access items in the name of "minimalizing" the dash (moving virtually everything to the center screen). The things don't even have an IC driver display for speed/etc, for God's sake. I was shocked to see that you have to look off to the side even just to watch your speed. Hell, I'm surprised they didn't remove the damn steering wheel and make it a virtual wheel on the screen too. Maybe that's in their next model. (OK, joking about that one, but not by much.)

I'm very glad Ford didn't throw out buttons to control some common driving features. To do so would make the car WORSE, IMO. Not better. Seems crazy to me to make the vehicle LESS convenient.
My friend's Model 3 Bluetooth froze up so he did a soft reboot of the screen while driving. It makes you completely "blind" for a couple minutes. No speed indication, no nothing. In my C-Max with My Ford Touch, the center screen used to freeze up (newer updates solved that). But at no time was the speed limit, or turn signal indicators, etc ever down.

Moving everything to that screen is all about cost, not progress.

I think its a safe bet that there is a larger group of people choosing the Mach-E over the Teslas because of the interior than the other way around.
 

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Very disappointing. This is baseline functionality that should be in the car pre-launch.
Agreed...with all that tech, should be a no brainier. Not sure why/or how this could be overlooked. Disappointed.
 

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Yep. In my research over the last year on BEVs, I've seen an awful lot of people say they hate the way Tesla went too far with taking a way so many normal access items in the name of "minimalizing" the dash (moving virtually everything to the center screen). The things don't even have an IC driver display for speed/etc, for God's sake. I was shocked to see that you have to look off to the side even just to watch your speed. Hell, I'm surprised they didn't remove the damn steering wheel and make it a virtual wheel on the screen too. Maybe that's in their next model. (OK, joking about that one, but not by much.)

I'm very glad Ford didn't throw out buttons to control some common driving features. To do so would make the car WORSE, IMO. Not better. Seems crazy to me to make the vehicle LESS convenient.
Agreed 👍
 

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I went with the MME because it had a speedometer above the dash where it normally. Tesla did away with it and ALL of the buttons because it is essentially the same car that is sold in europe and as such not much has to be made different for right hand driving. Far cheaper to put everything as much as possible. Thank you i do not like a car manufacturer looking to be cheap versus the right way to do it.
 

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The Model T didn't make clop-clop noises so the horse owners would feel comfortable.

This is their first ground-up BEV. It has to be better than a Tesla, and I'm getting so worried seeing that "ENGINE START/STOP" button that I'm second guessing this car because it just reeks of being unable to understand the future and design for it.

Why is there still a headlight switch on this car? Auto by default, put a menu in the touchscreen for the rest.

Why is there still a mirror switch on this car? Set it once for your driver profile on your phone, it should just remember as you approach. Why waste real estate for it?

Why is there still a door lock/unlock switch on this car? It's got autolock, just put a lock symbol on the screen.

This thread has gotten me thinking that this car isn't at all as advanced as I thought.

EVs should be all about their software, and if Ford can't get something as simple as a dashcam working, why would I trust any of the other software features? I genuinely thought it would have this, it actually never occurred to me when I ordered that something this basic would not be included from Job 1.

I really thought they were farther ahead than I guess they are, now seeing all the signs.
Sorry, but you're clearly looking for something to be mad/sad/disappointed about
 

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I've never let someone else drive any of my cars, and that will never change. I buy drivers' cars, for me, the driver.

I've never, ever touched the headlight switch when the car is moving - because it's in "auto."
I actually won’t buy any vehicle without a headlight switch. It’s a safety matter. There are occasions lights need to get turned on right now. Even when the sun is up. I live in a rural area with windy 2 lane country roads with lots of traffic. Those same roads have been known to have extensive patches fog just around the curve you can’t see around. That’s not a time to be studying your display.

As for the mirrors. Nope, you’re an oddity . People readjust their mirrors all the time. They slouch, they sit up very straight and they drop their cars off at the hotel or restaurant valets.

This is not the BEV you’re looking for. There’s no sin in that.
 
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LOL anti-car? Really? What defines a car is being cluttered with buttons?

I've never let someone else drive any of my cars, and that will never change. I buy drivers' cars, for me, the driver.

I've never, ever touched the headlight switch when the car is moving - because it's in "auto."

I've never, ever touched the mirror switch after the first day I purchased a car.

I've never, ever rolled the rear windows down on purpose - I love VW's new "REAR" button toggle that allowed them to get rid of the back row window switches.

Minimize, streamline. No distraction from the drive itself.
Realize that is you. The fact is that only about 5-15% of people are early adopters, and about 10-25% are really tech savvy. Most people want the simplest things and not having to learn new ways to do the same things.

In regard to something like the auto headlights. Well, if you park in a space that faces a building such as people eating in a restaurant or a parking lot where people are waiting in an opposing car, keeping your headlights shining in their faces is rude unless you are about to leave. Many people do this while looking at their phone while sitting in their car and shining their lights into people's eyes.

There are many reasons to be able to use features by touch and not by distracting the driver's vision.

You have to realize a lot of the features Tesla gives to people are BETA, so they are not fully tested. Most companies don't release products until they are out of full testing processes. Based on the "speed" at which Tesla releases updates, there is no way to do true full regression testing on the software. So it means they are continually patching on the fly. So Tesla can "release" things earlier because they didn't finish a complete testing process.
 

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I actually won’t buy any vehicle without a headlight switch. It’s a safety matter. There are occasions lights need to get turned on right now. Even when the sun is up.
Not to mention to use your lights to signal drivers. Flashing high beams on and off doesn't tell someone their headlights are off nearly as well as turning yours on and off. Over reliance on "auto" headlights has led to lots of cars driving down the road at night with only their daytime drivers on. While that's easy to notice as a driver on a dark rural road like @Kamuelaflyer usually drives, in the DC suburbs, roads are so well lit it is hard to see if your own headlights are on. Combine that with LED instruments that glow "on" even when the lights are off, it isn't as easy to know your own lights are on as it was when the instruments were mechanical and a light illuminated them.

Sure. We can automate everything. However there are reasons to want manual control for lots of features.
 

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It absolutely is progress. I adjust the mirrors one time in the ownership of the vehicle (or once per driver), why should I have to look at that window switch the entire life of my ownership?
If you aren’t adjusting your mirror(s), you aren’t driving as safely as you might.

Sometimes I will sit differently in the seat. I might be proud and perky in the morning and sit up tall and straight. I might be worn out and slumped at the end if the day. I might have a passenger of high status behind me who deserves more legroom. I might have cargo that would not fit without adjusting the seat for the trip. After a night I might want to press my face on the cool glass of the door. Maybe when letting the car drive in stop and go traffic I like to lay the seat back a bit. Maybe I want to hunch forward for a few moments because my back is giving me fits.

In these situations and many others my eyes are not in memory position. I suspect your eye position changes more than you suggest when defending the design choice Tesla made.

When necessary I blindly reach for a simply designed ergonomically placed switch to adjust my mirror(s) for safety.

I would hope you are carefully taking your eyes off the road when sorting through menus without benefit of tactile feedback as necessary to adjust your mirrors to accommodate your shifting driving position.


It absolutely is progress. I adjust the mirrors one time in the ownership of the vehicle (or once per driver), why should I have to look at that window switch the entire life of my ownership?
 

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Not to mention to use your lights to signal drivers. Flashing high beams on and off doesn't tell someone their headlights are off nearly as well as turning yours on and off. Over reliance on "auto" headlights has led to lots of cars driving down the road at night with only their daytime drivers on. While that's easy to notice as a driver on a dark rural road like @Kamuelaflyer usually drives, in the DC suburbs, roads are so well lit it is hard to see if your own headlights are on. Combine that with LED instruments that glow "on" even when the lights are off, it isn't as easy to know your own lights are on as it was when the instruments were mechanical and a light illuminated them.

Sure. We can automate everything. However there are reasons to want manual control for lots of features.
And we are missing the most important thing . . . When I go to my favorite drive up curb service restaurant, I have to turn my lights on for service! Now I know why I don’t see frustrated Tesla drivers not being waited on for their burgers and fries at Swenson’s. 😂
 

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You know Ford did try the "futuristic" method:

The first car with My Ford Touch (2011 Edge, we had one) didn't have any HVAC controls--they were all on the My Ford Touch screen (there were some other vehicles in 2011, 2012 that also had all the controls in the touch screen--and voice control).

Customers and the press eviscerated Ford for not having tactile buttons--I think they learned their lesson. (yeah ok they were also eviscerated because the 2011 version of My Ford Touch suuuuuucked).
 



 








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