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The Model T didn't make clop-clop noises so the horse owners would feel comfortable.

This is their first ground-up BEV. It has to be better than a Tesla, and I'm getting so worried seeing that "ENGINE START/STOP" button that I'm second guessing this car because it just reeks of being unable to understand the future and design for it.

Why is there still a headlight switch on this car? Auto by default, put a menu in the touchscreen for the rest.

Why is there still a mirror switch on this car? Set it once for your driver profile on your phone, it should just remember as you approach. Why waste real estate for it?

Why is there still a door lock/unlock switch on this car? It's got autolock, just put a lock symbol on the screen.

This thread has gotten me thinking that this car isn't at all as advanced as I thought.

EVs should be all about their software, and if Ford can't get something as simple as a dashcam working, why would I trust any of the other software features? I genuinely thought it would have this, it actually never occurred to me when I ordered that something this basic would not be included from Job 1.

I really thought they were farther ahead than I guess they are, now seeing all the signs.
Some of us give a jack squat about using the smart/dumb phones for everything. Sick of going thru menus for day to day living.
 

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Some of us give a jack squat about using the smart/dumb phones for everything. Sick of going thru menus for day to day living.
*shrugs* and some of us won't buy a car if your smartphone isn't the key. I'd never go back to a fob again, let alone a blade key.
 

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I want the Mach-E because it looks amazing. I'm just disappointed now that I am noticing all these legacy chains holding it back from being a truly modern car that it was marketed as.
Why not take it for a spin and if you like it, buy it. Yeah there's a lot of buttons and whatnots. But how it looks online and in our minds may not match up well with how it feels in reality. Time will tell...

The reason ICE cars have start/stop buttons is because they need them.
Why does an ICE car need start/stop? Why don't they start when the driver door is opened and stop when the car is parked and the driver exits?
 

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Why not take it for a spin and if you like it, buy it. Yeah there's a lot of buttons and whatnots. But how it looks online and in our minds may not match up well with how it feels in reality. Time will tell...



Why does an ICE car need start/stop? Why don't they start when the driver door is opened and stop when the car is parked and the driver exits?
So they don't jump through the garage door if the owner didn't set the brake. And because they can gas their owners if started in enclosed spaces.

Why would a BEV ever need one?

I'm just getting so discouraged thinking about this and realizing I thought this car was an equal to the one I have, and I am just starting to think it's actually a downgrade for more money for the attributes I care about. Although it does look great and the range is better. Ugh decisions.
 

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I want the Mach-E because it looks amazing. I'm just disappointed now that I am noticing all these legacy chains holding it back from being a truly modern car that it was marketed as.

I'm glad you like physical buttons clogging up the car and not having a built-in dashcam, but folks liked rotary phones too, "does not mean they were right or wrong..."

The reason ICE cars have start/stop buttons is because they need them. Should the Mach-E have a gas tank too? It doesn't need that either...

It will be my 3rd EV as well.
You might be confusing some of my comments with those made by someone else. I never, for example, said anything about not wanting a built-in dashcam. I think that would be pretty cool. I was just trying to offer some observations about individual differences and it being nice that we have choices we can all like; not hurl implied insults like your rotary dial and gas tank digs. I might see where your thinking is going--is it silly to have a steering wheel, pedals, etc. if a car could drive itself? And, who wants the legacy stuff like a speedometer if the car can be programmed to always drive at or above/below the speed limit? Who wants that old Model T stuff like wheels, tires, and seats? We do agree that the car looks great and that motivates us to buy it. We just seem to have different preferences about what I consider convenience features and you consider features that hold the car back. I may be reading more into your comments than you intended to imply but I infer that you believe the way YOU want the car designed is the way that it SHOULD be designed even if others feel differently.
 

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So they don't jump through the garage door if the owner didn't set the brake. And because they can gas their owners if started in enclosed spaces.
Huh? I stated that the car turns off when the driver puts it in park and exits the car. It's in park. It could turn off the engine as soon as the door begins to open. What if I don't "set the brake" before exiting my electric car? So far I'm failing to see the difference.

If the car doesn't start until the driver opens his door, gassing the owner seems to be highly unlikely. But I agree here that (most) manufacturers would prefer to be overly cautious rather than risk even one mishap.
 

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On Tesla it was more to fix the bugs from releasing untested products. The OTA's from Tesla are 99% bug fixes, many of them fixes for bugs from the previous OT.

Only meaningful update from Tesla OTA's was ability of Model 3 to use the Chademo charging adapter. This was more of a fix for the car not having the capability initially vs. a true "update".
What utter garbage this is. Tesla cars have become more energy efficient, more powerful, and capable with OTA updates.
 

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Huh? I stated that the car turns off when the driver puts it in park and exits the car. It's in park. It could turn off the engine as soon as the door begins to open. What if I don't "set the brake" before exiting my electric car? So far I'm failing to see the difference.

If the car doesn't start until the driver opens his door, gassing the owner seems to be highly unlikely. But I agree here that (most) manufacturers would prefer to be overly cautious rather than risk even one mishap.
Oh, you're talking about an automatic car. That makes more sense now. I forget those exist, I was a manual guy before BEVs.
You might be confusing some of my comments with those made by someone else. I never, for example, said anything about not wanting a built-in dashcam. I think that would be pretty cool. I was just trying to offer some observations about individual differences and it being nice that we have choices we can all like; not hurl implied insults like your rotary dial and gas tank digs. I might see where your thinking is going--is it silly to have a steering wheel, pedals, etc. if a car could drive itself? And, who wants the legacy stuff like a speedometer if the car can be programmed to always drive at or above/below the speed limit? Who wants that old Model T stuff like wheels, tires, and seats? We do agree that the car looks great and that motivates us to buy it. We just seem to have different preferences about what I consider convenience features and you consider features that hold the car back. I may be reading more into your comments than you intended to imply but I infer that you believe the way YOU want the car designed is the way that it SHOULD be designed even if others feel differently.
I'm not saying I'm always right, I'm saying that these seem like leftover parts bin items that make me wonder if Ford ever sat back and thought "why are we doing it this way" and got an answer other than "because we've always done it this way" - which, IMO is NOT a good enough answer.

Nothing I said was intended to be an insult. I just equate a headlight switch to a rotary phone - an item that has outlived its useful purpose.

I'd love to see the data on how often Ford owners with Auto headlights use their switch, or mirrors, etc. They should have real time data from those PHEVs going back to 2013... maybe I'm the only one that doesn't fiddle with their headlight switch as they drive.
 

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Huh? I stated that the car turns off when the driver puts it in park and exits the car. It's in park. It could turn off the engine as soon as the door begins to open. What if I don't "set the brake" before exiting my electric car? So far I'm failing to see the difference.

If the car doesn't start until the driver opens his door, gassing the owner seems to be highly unlikely. But I agree here that (most) manufacturers would prefer to be overly cautious rather than risk even one mishap.
You said "why doesn't the engine start when the driver door is opened" and I said because then it might leap through a garage door or injure someone.

I just realized you were talking about an automatic ICE vehicle. I forgot about those.
 

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Huh? I stated that the car turns off when the driver puts it in park and exits the car. It's in park. It could turn off the engine as soon as the door begins to open. What if I don't "set the brake" before exiting my electric car? So far I'm failing to see the difference.

If the car doesn't start until the driver opens his door, gassing the owner seems to be highly unlikely. But I agree here that (most) manufacturers would prefer to be overly cautious rather than risk even one mishap.
Agreed, but a manual override would be important in case the interlock system (driver weight sensor or whatever) failed to shut it down.
 

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Agreed, but a manual override would be important in case the interlock system (driver weight sensor or whatever) failed to shut it down.
My current car uses a gas combustion engine and has a start/stop button. If I park the car and forget to stop the engine, the car dings alarms when I open the door, honks if I exit the car and close the door, and turns off the ignition after something like 15 minutes if I still fail to intervene. There are several automatic safeties in place.
 

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The Model T didn't make clop-clop noises so the horse owners would feel comfortable.
Because a horse and a car are completely different things. These aren't. They're both still CARS. Just with different drivetrains.

This is their first ground-up BEV. It has to be better than a Tesla, and I'm getting so worried seeing that "ENGINE START/STOP" button that I'm second guessing this car because it just reeks of being unable to understand the future and design for it.
Just because it has a START button?? Really?

Why is there still a headlight switch on this car? Auto by default, put a menu in the touchscreen for the rest.
Because there are times when you want to turn the headlights on manually. And sometimes quickly, without fumbling through the screen menu while driving when your eyes are supposed to be on the road.

Why is there still a mirror switch on this car? Set it once for your driver profile on your phone, it should just remember as you approach. Why waste real estate for it?
Because sometimes someone else needs to drive the car. And they need to manually adjust the mirrors.

Why is there still a door lock/unlock switch on this car? It's got autolock, just put a lock symbol on the screen.
Because again, you many not be the only one that drives the car. You're not going to spend 10 minutes setting up a full phone profile for your brother when he drives your car home for you, or the valet, or the auto mechanic.

This thread has gotten me thinking that this car isn't at all as advanced as I thought.

EVs should be all about their software, and if Ford can't get something as simple as a dashcam working, why would I trust any of the other software features? I genuinely thought it would have this, it actually never occurred to me when I ordered that something this basic would not be included from Job 1.

I really thought they were farther ahead than I guess they are, now seeing all the signs.
It's sounding like you really want a Tesla, or some other futuristic car that's as anti-car as you can get. Sorry, that's not the Mach-e. It's still a car, with car features 99% of drivers can relate to. And I'm thankful for that because I wouldn't be very interested if they threw everything familiar to us about cars out the window just to be anti-car.
 

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I'd love to see the data on how often Ford owners with Auto headlights use their switch
I turn the headlights on when it's foggy, when it's too light for the sensors to turn them on but it's difficult for other drivers to see each other.

And I don't want to take my eyes off the road to fumble through a damn set of menus off to the side when visibility is bad. Having a knob in easy reach is a GOOD thing. You can probably still change it on the screen too (I'm guessing), but ALSO having a direct access knob too is the best of both worlds.
 

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I turn the headlights on when it's foggy, when it's too light for the sensors to turn them on but it's difficult for other drivers to see each other.
When I remember, I turn them on just before entering a parking garage. They'll turn on by themselves, but I want them on sooner for safety.

I also toggle them off/on to alert other drivers who've forgotten to turn on their headlights.

I preferred my Honda that placed light controls on the left stalk. On my Ford, I have to reach down into that leftmost console area near the door jamb. It takes too long to get to it.
 

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My current car uses a gas combustion engine and has a start/stop button. If I park the car and forget to stop the engine, the car dings alarms when I open the door, honks if I exit the car and close the door, and turns off the ignition after something like 15 minutes if I still fail to intervene. There are several automatic safeties in place.
yes there are plenty of ways to warn a driver. What does the driver do if there isn’t a way to manually stop the engine when one of those plenty ways fails?

Automatic shutdown of a combustion engine is all well and good provided there is an override.
 



 








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