MME vs Chevy Blazer EV

[LincolnLuvr]

Thanks, haven't listened to the podcast yet. Will have to look out for his video. It was Motortrend that tested the Lyriq and got 270 for the RWD but only 220 for the AWD in their highway range test (the Mach-E GT got 250 in the same test for reference):

"The Lyriq's battery offers 102.0-kWh worth of capacity and offers an estimated driving range of up to 308 miles per charge in the single-motor model and 307 miles for the dual-motor version. In our highway range test, the rear-wheel drive Lyriq provided 270 miles of driving before needing to be recharged; the all-wheel drive went for only 220 miles in the same test. "

https://www.caranddriver.com/cadillac/lyriq

220?! That's a terrible underperformance.

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[Auto Motive]

Certainly reminds me of all the features I expected my MME to have a year ago and I'm still waiting for.

Ford, are you seeing this shit? 190kw charging, motorized charge door, 500hp, cooled seats, supercruise on day 1...

While very similar looking to the MME at certain angles, it certainly looks like Chevy has a winner here.

GM can not even build the two yr model lyriq with only 10000 or so built this year. Last year 100 were shipped. I wouldnt even consider one.

 

[voxel]

Thanks, haven't listened to the podcast yet. Will have to look out for his video. It was Motortrend that tested the Lyriq and got 270 for the RWD but only 220 for the AWD in their highway range test (the Mach-E GT got 250 in the same test for reference):

"The Lyriq's battery offers 102.0-kWh worth of capacity and offers an estimated driving range of up to 308 miles per charge in the single-motor model and 307 miles for the dual-motor version. In our highway range test, the rear-wheel drive Lyriq provided 270 miles of driving before needing to be recharged; the all-wheel drive went for only 220 miles in the same test. "

https://www.caranddriver.com/cadillac/lyriq

To be fair... C&D 75mph test is an extrapolation. I think real world is somewhere inbetween the 270 RWD and 220 AWD number.

"We start with a full charge and run at a GPS-verified 75 mph for as long as possible, turning around at the halfway point to end back in our office parking lot. We record the entire run with a VBox LapTimer or Driftbox and also record the battery state of charge and the vehicle's predicted range every five miles. We compile those data points into two trend lines that we use to extrapolate the last few percent of battery that we didn't use. "

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a41356404/why-we-test-evs-the-way-we-do/

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Having dual permanent magnet motors isn't an efficient design but the Lyriq has a 102 kWh pack that is even larger than the Mach-E so I expect real world range to be 250-280 miles on the highway.

 

[TGIF]

I LOVE it. I like the rear design better than the boat tail on the Lyriq. Also appears to have a rear windshield wiper! Cargo space looks smaller than in the Lyriq? And it has NORMAL DOOR HANDLES!

Interior infotainment looks sick. I love that they retained physical buttons. 2023 is going to be a great year for EVs!

Does anyone know if it will have key access to the interior in case of LVB drain?

 

[SWO]

To be fair... C&D 75mph test is an extrapolation. I think real world is somewhere inbetween the 270 RWD and 220 AWD number.

"We start with a full charge and run at a GPS-verified 75 mph for as long as possible, turning around at the halfway point to end back in our office parking lot. We record the entire run with a VBox LapTimer or Driftbox and also record the battery state of charge and the vehicle's predicted range every five miles. We compile those data points into two trend lines that we use to extrapolate the last few percent of battery that we didn't use. "

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a41356404/why-we-test-evs-the-way-we-do/

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Having dual permanent magnet motors isn't an efficient design but the Lyriq has a 102 kWh pack that is even larger than the Mach-E so I expect real world range to be 250-280 miles on the highway.

I was wondering what their methodology was, thanks. I like the different methods because they give different data. Their test obviously hurts range #'s, but I prefer it to Kyle's "I know this car has X miles below zero so I can keep driving".

 

[ChasingCoral]

https://insideevs.com/news/674453/c...ies-from-the-week-of-june-6th-july-2nd-2023st

First Chevrolet Blazer EV Rolls Off Assembly Line At GM’s Mexico Plant
The Chevrolet Blazer EV is expected to be one of GM’s high-volume electric vehicles.

Jun 29, 2023 at 11:38am ET
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By: Suvrat Kothari


There’s an encouraging update for Chevrolet Blazer EV reservation holders. The first customer car rolled off General Motors’ Ramos Arizpe assembly plant in Mexico yesterday – another positive step forward in the company's broader electrification efforts.

The update was posted on the plant’s unofficial Facebook page, with pictures of a spanking new 2024 Chevrolet Blazer EV draped in vibrant Riptide Blue Metallic paint. A Sterling Gray Metallic version was also seen at the site.

GM will offer two variants starting summer 2023, the 2LT and RS. The latter was the first to roll out of the plant, with 21-inch wheels and a blacked-out grille. The entry-level 1LT and the range-topping SS will be available in winter 2024 and fall 2023, respectively. The brand will also offer a Police Pursuit Vehicle (PPV) version of the electric SUV.

Battery details have not emerged yet, but GM says the Blazer EV RS will have an estimated 320 miles (515 kilometers) of range. Moreover, RS customers will be able to choose between three drivetrain configurations: front-wheel drive, rear-wheel drive, or all-wheel drive.

Performance enthusiasts might want to look at the range-topping SS variant. It will be tuned to produce 557 horsepower and 648 pound-feet of torque. It will also get a WOW (Wide Open Watts) mode – similar to the Watts To Freedom (WTF) mode on the GMC Hummer EV – which will make the EV accelerate from 0-60 miles per hour in under 4 seconds.

Prices start at $44,995 for the base version which will be available early next year. The Blazer EV 2LT is priced $47,595, while the RS starts at $51,995, including destination charges. The range-topping SS will set customers back by $65,995 when it is offered in fall 2023. It’s unclear when GM will re-open reservations – the order book was full towards the end of 2022.

Chevrolet is at the forefront of GM’s EV push, and the new electric SUV is one of many models based on the Ultium dedicated EV platform. The Hummer EV entered production late last year at Factory Zero (formerly Detroit-Hamtramck), followed by the fleet and commercial variants of the Silverado EV just recently. Meanwhile, the Equinox EV also entered production early this month at Ramos Arizpe in Mexico.

GM CEO Mary Barra announced recently that the company is on track to build over 400,000 BEVs by the middle of next year, and a million units in 2025. She also hinted at the successor of the popular Bolt EV, which will retire at the end of this year.

 

[SWO]

That's interesting.....not the same production line as Lyriq.

 

[Hammered]

Huh, FWD, RWD, AWD? Why on earth would someone want a FWD SUV of that mass? The bolt EUV sucks being FWD. That's a really dumb move on GM's part, but it's GM after all.

 

[Mach1E]

Huh, FWD, RWD, AWD? Why on earth would someone want a FWD SUV of that mass? The bolt EUV sucks being FWD. That's a really dumb move on GM's part, but it's GM after all.

Because some people don’t know how to drive rwd properly. ?‍

 

[SWO]

Huh, FWD, RWD, AWD? Why on earth would someone want a FWD SUV of that mass? The bolt EUV sucks being FWD. That's a really dumb move on GM's part, but it's GM after all.

I think the idea is that FWD is more efficient. Most of the braking is done with the front wheels, so you can capture more regen with FWD. Probably cheaper to make, also.

Agree that FWD cars are gutless.

 

[Hammered]

I think the idea is that FWD is more efficient. Most of the braking is done with the front wheels, so you can capture more regen with FWD. Probably cheaper to make, also.

Agree that FWD cars are gutless.

It's not a matter of gutless, it's the fact that an SUV shifts its mass rearward on acceleration and not only is there torque steer, but it's very easy to spin the tires empty and it's significantly worse with any type of load. A BEV still has more than enough rear mass to regen. Loads of RWD EVs with no issues. Every FWD vehicle sucks, even with the entire engine sitting on the front axle. Really dumb.

It's not even a cost perspective. The RWD and FWD EVs have the exact same variables, though half shaft life is much better in RWD vehicles than FWD due to steering angles. It's GM though

 

[woody]

Huh, FWD, RWD, AWD? Why on earth would someone want a FWD SUV of that mass? The bolt EUV sucks being FWD. That's a really dumb move on GM's part, but it's GM after all.

On what do you base the conclusion that the Bolt EUV sucks?
The Bolt EV is fwd and is the best all-around EV.

 

[SWO]

It's not a matter of gutless, it's the fact that an SUV shifts its mass rearward on acceleration and not only is there torque steer, but it's very easy to spin the tires empty and it's significantly worse with any type of load. A BEV still has more than enough rear mass to regen. Loads of RWD EVs with no issues. Every FWD vehicle sucks, even with the entire engine sitting on the front axle. Really dumb.

It's not even a cost perspective. The RWD and FWD EVs have the exact same variables, though half shaft life is much better in RWD vehicles than FWD due to steering angles. It's GM though

You seem to just want to argue, but I would characterize your description as gutless. Also, just as weight shifts rearward during acceleration limiting tire grip, the same is true for the rear wheels for regen during deceleration. The size of the brakes front and rear tell you all you need to know. It makes a difference and is probably the reason there's not much/any difference in range for the AWD vs. RWD Mach-E despite the increase in weight plus powertrain losses.

As for cost, just look at the rear suspension on the Bolt and tell me there's no money being saved here. It's just a trailing arm / torsion beam setup like you would see in a minivan from 30+ years ago.

 

[Mach1E]

On what do you base the conclusion that the Bolt EUV sucks?
The Bolt EV is fwd and is the best all-around EV.

That’s a pretty huge leap between “it doesn’t suck,” and it being the “best.”

Can you list even 1 characteristic that puts it in a #1 spot? Because I can think of quite a few in the “it sucks” category. ?

 

[mkhuffman]

There was a sign at the airport parking garage saying no Bolts were allowed to park inside the garage. It was so hilarious I wish I had taken a picture. And at the bottom of the sign, in a little footnote, it said "the best BEV ever".


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