MME vs Chevy Blazer EV

[ab13]

What seems particularly unusual to me is that both RWD and FWD will be possible to configure. Makes sense to have AWD as an option, which they do, but I don't think I've ever seen a vehicle come with all three of those layouts as being possible.

Probably could have saved themselves some engineering bucks and gave the car a bit more performance bona fides by not including the FWD option.

In the video they talked about how flexible the platform was, that it could accommodate this. I expect the FWD may have the least amount of cabling since everything could be placed under the hood, which could increase trunk space.

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[RedStallion]

As more people figure out how much cheaper an EV is to run compared to an ICE, to say nothing of the silent ride, and great low/mid performance an EV provides, a ton of people will want to switch to EVs.

BEVs are not cheaper to run on long trips, BEVs are not cheaper when you need to tow or carry a heavy load. They are currently cheaper to run in slow traffic provided you can charge at home. But residential electricity prices will definitely keep going up, and the more EVs sold the faster they will grow.
EV supply chains are nightmare, it simply not going to scale to the level of ICE. Mining of metals and manufacturing of batteries are difficult and dirty, so expect the EV prices to keep rising increasing the gap with ICE vehicles. It's likely that the total cost of ownership will be higher for comparable EVs, but it will depend on a particular use case.
The climate and other factors make EV spread limited. BEVs will not be a solution in cold climates, BEVs will never be a substitute for large powerful diesel equipment. Not even mentioning the poor countries in the world that won't see any large BEV adoption.
BEV share is growing fast right now because it's growing from zero, there is no mature market that weighed all pros and cons, instead there is a lot of hype. Everything is pointing to an unraveling bullwhip effect, as it often happens with new hyped technologies -- irrational investments, accumulation of inventories, bankruptcies, followed by contraction, rising prices, etc. until the market stabilizes. Right now we are in the first hype stage.
Here is a good video. Peter Zeihan, who is an expert in geopolitics, discussed many issues related to modern technologies with two Tesla nuts ? Quiet sobering.

 

[timbop]

Charge ports opening is an opportunity for futuristic drama, and I think we should expect most OEMs to adopt something more interesting than the gas flap we see on our cars for models that they want to seem premium...

It opens DOWN so it will ALWAYS be in the way of the cable dangling down from the connector. If it opened forward with a similar motion at least it would be out of the way. I can't see this design surviving more than a year....

From the article on Carscoops.com:

"Regardless of which trim is selected, all Blazer EVs come with a powered charging port door that automatically opens when pressed. Designers paid special attention to the charging port door as they noted owners will be using it far more often than a traditional fuel filler door, so they wanted to make it as convenient as possible to open. "

I guess I prefer that approach to the Mustang's "fuel door that looks like it was repurposed from a F250" that we got? It doesn't seem like Chevy over-designed it for the sake of over-designing it, but actually did it for a reason.

Exactly. They (all manufacturers) always cut corners with gimmicks like this, using as much cheap plastic and lightweight electronics as they can. In this case if it breaks you can't refuel your car...

 

[sotek2345]

BEVs are not cheaper to run on long trips, BEVs are not cheaper when you need to tow or carry a heavy load. They are currently cheaper to run in slow traffic provided you can charge at home. But residential electricity prices will definitely keep going up, and the more EVs sold the faster they will grow.
EV supply chains are nightmare, it simply not going to scale to the level of ICE. Mining of metals and manufacturing of batteries are difficult and dirty, so expect the EV prices to keep rising increasing the gap with ICE vehicles. It's likely that the total cost of ownership will be higher for comparable EVs, but it will depend on a particular use case.
The climate and other factors make EV spread limited. BEVs will not be a solution in cold climates, BEVs will never be a substitute for large powerful diesel equipment. Not even mentioning the poor countries in the world that won't see any large BEV adoption.
BEV share is growing fast right now because it's growing from zero, there is no mature market that weighed all pros and cons, instead there is a lot of hype. Everything is pointing to an unraveling bullwhip effect, as it often happens with new hyped technologies -- irrational investments, accumulation of inventories, bankruptcies, followed by contraction, rising prices, etc. until the market stabilizes. Right now we are in the first hype stage.
Here is a good video. Peter Zeihan, who is an expert in geopolitics, discussed many issues related to modern technologies with two Tesla nuts ? Quiet sobering.

I will absolutely challenge you on the cost of long range driving in a BEV. 2 recent trips as examples

Albany NY, to Montreal, CA, to Thousand Islands and back to Albany NY. Plus some local driving. About 700 miles total. Spent approximately $25 charging for the whole trip, and that includes the cost to recharge when we got home.

Another trip. Albany NY to Portland Maine and back with some local driving. About 600 miles total. $35 total charging costs.

Either of those trips would have been between $200 and $300 in fuel costs for our ICE vehicle.

Hotel L2 charging is a game changer.

 

[ARK]

BEVs are not cheaper to run on long trips, BEVs are not cheaper when you need to tow or carry a heavy load. They are currently cheaper to run in slow traffic provided you can charge at home. But residential electricity prices will definitely keep going up, and the more EVs sold the faster they will grow.
EV supply chains are nightmare, it simply not going to scale to the level of ICE. Mining of metals and manufacturing of batteries are difficult and dirty, so expect the EV prices to keep rising increasing the gap with ICE vehicles. It's likely that the total cost of ownership will be higher for comparable EVs, but it will depend on a particular use case.
The climate and other factors make EV spread limited. BEVs will not be a solution in cold climates, BEVs will never be a substitute for large powerful diesel equipment. Not even mentioning the poor countries in the world that won't see any large BEV adoption.
BEV share is growing fast right now because it's growing from zero, there is no mature market that weighed all pros and cons, instead there is a lot of hype. Everything is pointing to an unraveling bullwhip effect, as it often happens with new hyped technologies -- irrational investments, accumulation of inventories, bankruptcies, followed by contraction, rising prices, etc. until the market stabilizes. Right now we are in the first hype stage.
Here is a good video. Peter Zeihan, who is an expert in geopolitics, discussed many issues related to modern technologies with two Tesla nuts ? Quiet sobering.

My point is more modest than that. Even if we exclude all vehicles that may need to be used on long trips or to haul things (which we increasingly shouldn't, but that's a different issue), a substantial portion of all cars are only used for going to work, taking the kids to school, and getting around town. These cars are the most well-suited to being replaced by EVs.

I know lots of families that have one larger vehicle, usually an SUV, and another smaller car. Whenever these families go on road trips, they take the larger car anyway. The smaller car never goes more than 50 miles from home. Cars like that could be replaced by EVs based on tech available today without anyone having to compromise anything or change their behavior.

Not every car on the road needs to be able to comfortably travel halfway across country with six people in the vehicle at the drop of a hat. This is a lot more than 5% of the market.

 

[clsmooths]

I think the Blazer EV is not good looking as the Mach-E by a long shot and it's the best looking EV out there. Blazer is not ugly by any means, too many details like the Lryic and its back like boat end is what I frown on. Plus the Mach-E is a crossover/SUV from the design of the true American ICE Mustang and some features in the upcoming new design ICE Mustang.
C'mon now...look at this beaut and da beast that she is. The sharp lines, it's simple details and the best of all the fast back look. Not only that, the handling and speed is just insane to the membrane!!! Here are some pics of the GTPE that I picked up a few weeks ago. Named her Ginuwine. Enjoy!!

 

[clsmooths]

And Yes....I put a V8 in her?

 

[RedStallion]

I will absolutely challenge you on the cost of long range driving in a BEV.

My recent trip to LA: 43c/kWh EA price, 2.4m/kWh average efficiency, 10% loss. The cost per mile: 19.7c. Compare it to my wife's large SUV from the same trip: $5.59/gal, 31mpg. The cost per mile: 18c.
Taking into account that we live at a crazy time with gasoline sky high and electricity still low, the advantage of gas vehicles will be even bigger in the future.

 

[sotek2345]

My recent trip to LA: 43c/kWh EA price, 2.4m/kWh average efficiency, 10% loss. The cost per mile: 19.7c. Compare it to my wife's large SUV from the same trip: $5.59/gal, 31mpg. The cost per mile: 18c.
Taking into account that we live at a crazy time with gasoline sky high and electricity still low, the advantage of gas vehicles will be even bigger in the future.

That is exceptionally good mileage for a large SUV. Not sure I have ever seen one that high. My ICE gets 15mpg. That is also the non-member pricing for EA, you can cut it by 12 cents per kWhr with a $4/mo. membership. Then you ignored any benefits from home charging (cheaper) and hotel charging (potentially free).

 

[BigMach-E]

My recent trip to LA: 43c/kWh EA price, 2.4m/kWh average efficiency, 10% loss. The cost per mile: 19.7c. Compare it to my wife's large SUV from the same trip: $5.59/gal, 31mpg. The cost per mile: 18c.
Taking into account that we live at a crazy time with gasoline sky high and electricity still low, the advantage of gas vehicles will be even bigger in the future.

2.4 m/kwh efficiency in mild climate is pretty close to the worst I've seen. Are you driving 80-90 mph with jack rabbit starts?

Furthermore, is the large SUV a hybrid? There are a lot of unanswered questions here.

For road trips, probably pretty much going to be 25-50% cheaper for fuel on the MME than an full ICE equivalent.

I drive a new Ford Edge recently, was getting about 24 miles to the gallon if I was lucky.

 

[Mach-Lee]

Not sure about that presence-detecting liftgate. I enjoy standing behind my MME and admiring it without getting clocked in the gut.

 

[sotek2345]

2.4 m/kwh efficiency in mild climate is pretty close to the worst I've seen. Are you driving 80-90 mph with jack rabbit starts?

Furthermore, is the large SUV a hybrid? There are a lot of unanswered questions here.

For road trips, probably pretty much going to be 25-50% cheaper for fuel on the MME than an full ICE equivalent.

I drive a new Ford Edge recently, was getting about 24 miles to the gallon if I was lucky.

Maybe the large SUV is a diesel and they drove really slow? What would class as a Large SUV these days. Suburban, Yukon, Expedition, Tahoe, Escalade, and Navigator?

 

[bristol16]

Maybe the large SUV is a diesel and they drove really slow? What would class as a Large SUV these days. Suburban, Yukon, Expedition, Tahoe, Escalade, and Navigator?

It may depend on who you ask, but we base it on carry capacity more than physical size. Anything with 3rd row seating is considered a large SUV.

 

[tannerk89]

I like how the blazer EV commercial was basically bashing any of the issues the MME had in its first year or so of production. ? “Frequent, sequential, updates for the software”, cooled seats!, 1” bigger screens! The screen seemed smaller somehow too, maybe just the configuration.​

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I do like the look of the Blazer EV, a little more geared towards ICE styling which isn’t bad. I do question having FWD/RWD & AWD options.. seems like it adds a lot of unnecessary complexity in to the manufacturing process.​

 

[saurez7777]

2.4 m/kwh efficiency in mild climate is pretty close to the worst I've seen. Are you driving 80-90 mph with jack rabbit starts?

Furthermore, is the large SUV a hybrid? There are a lot of unanswered questions here.

For road trips, probably pretty much going to be 25-50% cheaper for fuel on the MME than an full ICE equivalent.

I drive a new Ford Edge recently, was getting about 24 miles to the gallon if I was lucky.

yes 2.4km/kwh is the least, even in the winter I used to get 3.5km/kwh... in summer my avg is around 4.8km/kwh

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