NACS Extension Cable Coming From Tesla

[son of a swen]

Extension cable announced by Tesla at: https://www.tesla.com/support/supercharging-other-evs#cable

Does the Supercharger cable reach all EVs?
Most Supercharger cables at NACS Supercharger sites should be able to reach your EV charge port, however, in some cases you might have to park over the line in order to charge comfortably. Avoid parking diagonally to reach the cable and try to obstruct as few charge posts as possible. Charge port locations vary by EV model, which requires cable sharing between adjacent stalls at many sites. Tesla is rapidly deploying our latest V4 Supercharger post which reaches all EVs in the same Supercharger stall. Additionally, we encourage all vehicle manufacturers to standardize charge port locations to the rear driver side or front passenger side.

We are working on an NACS to NACS extension cable, which will be available for purchase in the future.

Future? It took 7 years for Cybertruck...

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[JohnFoxeSheets]

Fewer people want that option: 5.9%. You can see I voted "I don't care". Well, because really I don't.

Dang Mike, if I joined the Rivian Forum I'd go crazy waiting for the R2 to be available. It's a darn good thing the R1S won't fit in my garage (much less the R1T)! I admire your self-restraint.

 

[JohnFoxeSheets]

It's drawings like this that made me change majors to Computer Science oh so many years ago. ?

That's funny. I was a CS major too, but I love shit like this. (What I didn't love was the advanced physics that I needed to become a EE.)

 

[hartmms]

That's funny. I was a CS major too, but I love shit like this. (What I didn't love was the advanced physics that I needed to become a EE.)

I'm technically a computer engineer that does chip design for a living. I winged my way through advanced physics and advanced calc and diff eq. I use zero of that stuff today since we have software to handle the complex math and physics. The key skills to have today are Python and TCL coding skills as how well you can manipulate the software tools is key to getting your chip done.

 

[mdolan92869]

That's funny. I was a CS major too, but I love shit like this. (What I didn't love was the advanced physics that I needed to become a EE.)

LRC circuits, differential equations, organic chemistry and biochemistry (I was a biomedical engineering major) made me realize that the CS classes I was getting A's in without studying was my destiny.

 

[JohnFoxeSheets]

I'm technically a computer engineer that does chip design for a living. I winged my way through advanced physics and advanced calc and diff eq. I use zero of that stuff today since we have software to handle the complex math and physics. The key skills to have today are Python and TCL coding skills as how well you can manipulate the software tools is key to getting your chip done.

I was find with the advanced calc and diff eq stuff. The problem for me with advanced physics was I never could figure out when I should made a damned assumption that suddenly made everything fall into place. That crap was just crazy. But yeah, I was pretty confident that I wouldn't need any of that stuff in the working world.

 

[Krom2040]

Hard to interpret the current V3 design as anything except hopelessly short-term thinking. They designed it for *exactly* their use case by not building in a length of cable that would span the entire length of a car, which probably didn't save them much money in the scheme of things, and now they're pretending like it's everybody else's fault for not exactly copying the Tesla port placement, and trying to charge for an adapter to resolve their poor planning.

I just don't know about this. I appreciate that Ford is supplying this adapter for free but I'm really hesitant to spend additional cash on some other dongle that I need to constantly carry around with my vehicle in order to charge.

 

[redgrandam]

They have lots of these V3 chargers in Europe and areas with CCS2 plugs. Bjorn uses them with his EV testing all the time. Seems to be just as many non-tesla vehicles using them as Tesla cars often, yet there it is the same. There is no standardization on the plug location on the cars yet they make do.

It does seem like there is a lot more of them set up as pull through that would help too.

 

[AhardFSU]

Hard to interpret the current V3 design as anything except hopelessly short-term thinking.

I hear ya! I feel like with the design of the v1-V3 stations they went with form over long-term function. I mean, sure those stations work for their sedans, but look at the Cybertruck and how it isn't exactly the perfect fit for their non-V4 stations.

At this point it likely would be too costly for them to retrofit all of the stations with longer cables.

 

[mkhuffman]

Dang Mike, if I joined the Rivian Forum I'd go crazy waiting for the R2 to be available. It's a darn good thing the R1S won't fit in my garage (much less the R1T)! I admire your self-restraint.

What's even funnier - I joined the Rivian forum before I joined this MME forum. The R1T is what got me excited about BEVs but they took so freaking long to produce the Max Pack version I got the MME instead.

And the Max Pack was supposed to have a 180 kWh pack, but it ended up with a 142 kWh (usable) pack. It's not just Tesla failing to deliver things that were promised before COVID shutdowns. Ford delivered though.

 

[kodiakng]

They have lots of these V3 chargers in Europe and areas with CCS2 plugs. Bjorn uses them with his EV testing all the time. Seems to be just as many non-tesla vehicles using them as Tesla cars often, yet there it is the same. There is no standardization on the plug location on the cars yet they make do.

It does seem like there is a lot more of them set up as pull through that would help too.

folks need to realize the v3 superchargers came out in early 2019 and LONG before the Mach-E or Lightning and most non-Bolt EVs. at that time only teslas were ever planned to be using them. even in europe, where there was regulation around the charge port to use CCS2, tesla didn't open to non-teslas until late 2021.

everyone makes better decisions with hindsight. ?

tesla is frustrating from many aspects but one feature that is pretty consistent for them is to learn and adapt over time. this is pretty evident in their europe supercharger layouts to accommodate non-teslas.

retrofitting existing installs is expensive so if they do it at all you can expect to be a slow rollout at places where they see issues AND high adoption of non-tesla charging.

dammit, enough tesla-splaining. ?

 

[GreaseMonkey]

What's the story on the entire auto industry worldwide not having done some standards on this? Was it deliberate, or just a matter of bumbling? The needed engineering seems obvious in retrospect.

Each OEM is optimizing what’s important to them. Europeans typically do pax side cause curb side charging. Americans do the opposite for driver convenience. Rivian did the rear pax on the R2 to save on cost (given some are rwd and the battery connection is from the back), but their R1 is front driver. Farley stated recently that new Fords they will follow Tesla, so rear driver.

It’s a mess out there, no cohesive strategy.

 

[redgrandam]

folks need to realize the v3 superchargers came out in early 2019 and LONG before the Mach-E or Lightning and most non-Bolt EVs. at that time only teslas were ever planned to be using them. even in europe, where there was regulation around the charge port to use CCS2, tesla didn't open to non-teslas until late 2021.

everyone makes better decisions with hindsight. ?

tesla is frustrating from many aspects but one feature that is pretty consistent for them is to learn and adapt over time. this is pretty evident in their europe supercharger layouts to accommodate non-teslas.

retrofitting existing installs is expensive so if they do it at all you can expect to be a slow rollout at places where they see issues AND high adoption of non-tesla charging.

dammit, enough tesla-splaining. ?

Yeah. I agree completely. It’s so true, in fact, that their own charging network isn’t even ready for their own cybertruck.

They absolutely will adapt as they always do, unfortunately it often takes them much much longer than we hope for their changes. But at least we know the V4 is the solution and is on the way.

 

[GreaseMonkey]

just tremendous content folks - 4 pages about an accessory product for a niche market that doesn't exist.

Slow news day

 

[timbop]

Hard to interpret the current V3 design as anything except hopelessly short-term thinking. They designed it for *exactly* their use case by not building in a length of cable that would span the entire length of a car, which probably didn't save them much money in the scheme of things, and now they're pretending like it's everybody else's fault for not exactly copying the Tesla port placement, and trying to charge for an adapter to resolve their poor planning.

I just don't know about this. I appreciate that Ford is supplying this adapter for free but I'm really hesitant to spend additional cash on some other dongle that I need to constantly carry around with my vehicle in order to charge.

It's stunning how easy it is to tell someone else that "they did it wrong" after the fact, given that you don't have to face the consequences of "yeah but that would cause this worse problem". Decisions made about the SC installations went beyond the scope of "what might happen if somehow we open the network to other manufacturers who don't follow our lead".

To be completely fair to Tesla (whose CEO I have no respect for as a human being)

• Their dispensers are extremely robust and seem to hold up very well over time
• Their schemes for prefabbing the installations and other shortcuts aid in more rapid deployment
• Because of the 2 above, their cost structure is such that they are the least expensive AND YET most reliable equipment
• By keeping the cable lengths short they didn't have to mess with retractors/coilers breaking and/or cables being damaged when run over by cars
• In addition to the retractors breaking, they put lateral stress on the connector

But, if you're unhappy with using the Tesla network you have the freedom to exercise the right not to.

folks need to realize the v3 superchargers came out in early 2019 and LONG before the Mach-E or Lightning and most non-Bolt EVs. at that time only teslas were ever planned to be using them. even in europe, where there was regulation around the charge port to use CCS2, tesla didn't open to non-teslas until late 2021.

everyone makes better decisions with hindsight. ?

precisely

Fords they will follow Tesla, so rear driver.

Maybe - they could just as easily put it on the passenger side front quarter panel

It’s a mess out there, no cohesive strategy.

Ultimately THIS is the cause of the problem, although I don't know that there is any perfect solution for all countries. Backing in precludes trailers/bike racks/etc, curbside L2 charging is facilitated by passenger side connectors, but driver's side connectors are easier to approach without hitting something - and there is no consistent driver's side internationally! Even "pull-through" spaces are not a clear ideal as there is no clear winner in the "passenger vs driver side" debate.

It is also precisely why everyone BUT Tesla has to have 2 cables/connectors with long cables that can be run over, suffer from failed retractors, and put lateral stress on the connector.

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