Range concern

[dbsb3233]

Looks like max range is highest in city driving -- especially in 25-50 MPH zones. This is ideal for congested highway & city travel. Ha, great for So. Cal! Honestly, greater than 95% of us drive under 75 miles to work or school roundtrip. Large majority of BEV drivers will then charge at home. If you need to take a long road trip, plan ahead for public DCFCs. I agree, we should all log and share real world range in our MMEs!

Yes, it is somewhat of a Catch-22... Where we get longer range (city driving) we don't need it; and where we need longer range (highway road trips) we don't get it.

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[Jako607]

I have ordered the Mustang Mach Epremium extended range build date February 14, 2021. Before I commit I am going to have extensive look at the customer reviews. So many pictures and videos online I have seen, many real world pictures from dealers websites , cars.com , CarGurus.com , I have hardly seen more than 200 mile range . the last image I saw from the car gurus.com with one mach e available in Kansas shows The range 198 miles at 95% charge. I understand this is different from trim but I have not seen any real world picture on the dashboard showing 250+ mile or 310 mile on EXTENDED RANGE VERSION . I am very skeptical about the purchase. There is always the MANY factors that affect the range.

how much less percentage of range will you accept then promised for 270 or 310 mile range versions?

Any input on acceptable Range variations?

Take a look at this Youtube review. Without trying at all, they got 255 real world from the AWD Extended range (rated at 270)

 

[eltonlin]

Oh totally. As I mentioned that problem is completely solved for those that can charge at home and aren't traveling more than the car's range 95% of days.

But it is an entirely different scenario for someone like me without a garage that also drives a ton. Seriously, I'm like the poster child for someone that should wait a few years to go BEV - A street parker that's in sales covering all of NorCal and Northern Nevada, often driving farther than the stated range in a single day (SF to Reno or Fresno or Chico, etc). I'll definitely be driving as conservatively as I can to take advantage of full range. Folks with my situational demographics will mostly need/want to wait until the range increases a bit more, charge times get closer to 200 miles of range added in 15-20 minutes (as opposed to 10-80%, 200 miles in 45 minutes like the Mach E), and chargers become more prevalent.

I think I can make it work based on my purchase of an Energi as a use case 4+ years ago. But it's definitely not for everyone.

I've been looking at practical ways to get to Tahoe for a weekend ski trip with the Mach-E. Where are your stops along the way to Reno?

(PS - kudos for going BEV without a "home base" to charge. I have seen cars parked on the street here in SF with extension cords into garages for charging).

 

[trutolife27]

Well, I went 189 miles today with 26% left. Never had a problem and it was about 34 degrees outside.

 

[Ma9573]

Dang, you're a glutton for punishment- living in SF AND no garage. I suspect you're going to get irritated with having to either constantly be on the lookout for a place to charge, or finding a spot that's reasonably convenient and spending a LOT of time there. I admire the gumption though.

Lol I'm lucky - in my neighborhood I've never not been able to find a parking spot on my block, and there's literally a dozen chargers within a mile ?

Probably something to do with the fact my building is the only multi unit building on the block, unless you count the former Russian Consulate lol

 

[Ma9573]

I've been looking at practical ways to get to Tahoe for a weekend ski trip with the Mach-E. Where are your stops along the way to Reno?

(PS - kudos for going BEV without a "home base" to charge. I have seen cars parked on the street here in SF with extension cords into garages for charging).

I currently have an Energi, so have never done the full BEV thing for my trips.

But I was talking to a friend with a Model S (2016 with less than 300 mile range) a couple weeks ago about our upcoming Tahoe trip (June, life permitting), and he says he can make it all the way there - 202 miles to Tahoe City, North Shore. It's summer so won't need to worry about cold weather, and I have the Route 1 on order, so I'm tempted to just get it charged to 100% and do the entire trip in one shot, keeping my highway speeds lower...the mountain pass is a little freaky though lol.

But, I've been obsessed with MPG and using every last drop of gas per tank for 15 years (very OCD), and have run out of gas in every ICE car I've ever had in the first couple months just trying to test the limits of the "reserve", so I'm sure I'll get stranded at some point in my Mach E testing the limits ??

 

[Ma9573]

Well, I went 189 miles today with 26% left. Never had a problem and it was about 34 degrees outside.

So if you started at 100% that's a 255 mile range in cold weather on what I'm assuming was at least a significant portion being highway. Were you driving for range? Or just normally? You have three Premium 4X right?

 

[trutolife27]

So if you started at 100% that's a 255 mile range in cold weather on what I'm assuming was at least a significant portion being highway. Were you driving for range? Or just normally? You have three Premium 4X right?

I went hard at times and a half was city driving and the regen really helped. Letting off the gas and coasting at all the right times will make a big difference for everyone.

 

[Fat Mach]

I'm tempted to just get it charged to 100% and do the entire trip in one shot, keeping my highway speeds lower...the mountain pass is a little freaky though lol.

Well, the beauty of going over HWY 50 is it's pretty much one big pass at the top of the climb. You're either going to make it and regen down into the Tahoe basin, or you're going to cut bait in Kyburz and regen your way back towards Placerville.

 

[Prashantsukhs]

Well, I went 189 miles today with 26% left. Never had a problem and it was about 34 degrees outside.

What is thr trim you have and how much total it shows on dashboard after 100% charge

 

[Ma9573]

Well, the beauty of going over HWY 50 is it's pretty much one big pass at the top of the climb. You're either going to make it and regen down into the Tahoe basin, or you're going to cut bait in Kyburz and regen your way back towards Placerville.

That's a good point with with 50 or the 80 route - if you know you can't make it due to the peak even if you're near the top, even if you can just turn around and gain a bunch of miles with the regen to get to a charger in Placerville or Auburn respectively.

 

[jeffdawgfan]

We have a 2019 Leaf Plus SL. Before that a Chevy Bolt. We live in North Georgia mountains and we are literally two hours from anywhere. Atlanta, Ashville, Chattanooga are all at least two hours away at posted speed limits. We predominately put about sixty miles a day on the car and then charge every couple of days at home. I have always charged to 100% battery when we charge at home. So far I have not noticed any degradation of battery capacity. When we do drive to one of the afore mentioned cities for whatever reason, usually 2-3 times a month, we usually have plenty of range and that is on the 68kwh battery of the Leaf. On those times that we do a lot of running around I will DCFC before heading home. You will learn real quick where the DCFC's are in the area you drive to and which ones are usually available. I have never had to wait to charge my vehicle, even in Atlanta where EV's are quite popular. To be frank, don't sweat the charging so much. Learn your area, charger locations, and know how much kwh it takes you to get home from point X that you frequent. For road trips...just plan your route. We drove to Orlando from North Georgia and back in our Leaf charging four times each way....about every 180 miles. This was along the I-75 corridor. Never had any problem finding or using a charger. Charges were usually about 45-60 minutes. We took advantage of those charges to eat lunch, take bathroom breaks, walk the dogs, stretch, and did a little shopping on the way and back. It was a pleasant non-tiring trip.

A little tip if you have a gap in your charger locations. Campgrounds have a shitload of 30 and 50 amp outlets. IF you find yourself in a bind you can easily pull into a campground and with an adapter use a 50 amp outlet to level two charge for a couple of hours. Have a picnic and take a walk to enjoy the sunshine. You don't have to be in a hurry to go everywhere. I have used a campground on I-85 several times on the way to Destin, FL. They not only let me charge, but did not charge me for it either. Met some very nice campground hosts and actually sat and had a few beers and some nice conversations about EV's and RV's with them. Now, we are retired, and not really in a hurry to get anywhere as long as we can do it before dark. My days of taking trips where I drive 12 hours straight and arrive exhausted, tired, cramping, and cross eyed are over. We find we actually enjoy the scenery a lot more with the EV.

So stop sweating the range and reduce your anxiety level.

 

[silverelan]

Relevant video on range vs. temperature

 

[DBC]

Yes, it is somewhat of a Catch-22... Where we get longer range (city driving) we don't need it; and where we need longer range (highway road trips) we don't get it.

Unless you need to go through a city when the freeway is congested. Low speeds and mild accelerations give you the most range ever. But ranges are not so important for longer trips. It's all about the charging speed, the availability of chargers, and the reliability of the chargers.

Well, I went 189 miles today with 26% left. Never had a problem and it was about 34 degrees outside.

I'm assuming this wasn't when you were testing the 100+ MPH handling.

Batteries also degrade so as time goes on so does the range. However, range is more an issue before you get a BEV and not much afterwards. There may be situations where your BEV simply doesn't work -- actually there are situations when any vehicle doesn't work. You just have to turn to an alternative like a rental. Not common and so not a big deal. (I've rented a minivan to carry more stuff on a trip or a Jeep for very mild off-roading). Not expensive and it saves miles on your vehicle.

 

[eltonlin]

Wonder if BEVs would have performed as well in this scenario?

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