Sadly Saying Goodbye

[RickMachE]

At 75 mph I could get 2.6 mi/kWh in my GT with stock rims and Hankook iON tires. Certainly the Premium with smaller tires is more efficient and the CR1 should do even better. Wheel aerodynamics and rolling resistance make a big difference especially at highway speeds.

At 75 mph I consistently get 2.4 mi/kWh in my Rivian. That kind of efficiency for such a big vehicle is amazing to me, and makes it clear that Ford could do better without changing the body style. Unfortunately it would also drive up the cost of making the car, so there are consequences that Ford probably decided were not worth it.

Having put 40,000 miles on between 2 different Premiums with factory wheels and tires, I have never seen 3.2 on the highway. In fact on a trip, I have never seen 3.0 except maybe a slow leg. I drive 75 max, usually 73. I plan trips at 2.7 in the summer and 2.3 in dead of winter. I think lifetime is 2.8.

Lightning is 1.7 to 1.8. I think lifetime is 1.7.

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[flapjake314]

I haven't done the trip yet, but I'm seeing online that with a 200 kW charger, the Lucid can do a 10% to 80% charge in @ 25 minutes.

i do worry a bit for you seeing that you didn't try it yet, because MachE advertises 32 minutes for my standard range and in reality it is more like 70-90 in my experience

but either way 1 stop is better than 2, best of luck on the switch and congrats on the addition to your family

 

[dbsb3233]

I'm a Job 1 owner from 2021, and sadly said goodbye to my MME this week. Its the first electric I've owned and I will never go back.
Why did I sell? One word: range. We have a beautiful new granddaughter in Ohio and the MME takes two charging stops to get there. It adds an hour+ to our trip. I bought a used Lucid Air Touring (directly from the Lucid site) and its now a 1-stop trip.
All that being said, I loved my MME.
Standouts:
- Fast and fun - the torque and speed
- Looks great on the outside and hassle-free cool tech on the inside
- Its Electric (duh) - No oil changes, no worn brakes, no gas stops (charge at home), saving $$, helping our planet
- Dealer experience: Tom Mason Ford (in Reading, PA) was excellent to deal with thru the recalls and routine servicing
- THIS FORUM - I learned so much and received so much (needed) assistance and advice thru my MME journey
Would I recommend a Mach E? Without hesitation - unless you frequently travel longer distances and the range (I topped out @ 270m) is an issue.
Thanks all and enjoy your ride!

We're replacing our MME First Edition with a Lucid Gravity soon (on order). It's been a great car on the whole. 71,000 miles, over 50k of those being long road trips. But we're in position to step up to more luxury now. My only major complaint about the MME is the stiff suspension. Looking forward to a smooth luxury suspension instead.

And of course the 450 mile range and super-fast charging will be great on road trips. Our most frequent road trip (6-7 times/yr) is 785 miles each way Denver-Vegas. If we drive the MME straight thru, it's 11.5 drive hours plus 2.5 hours of charging stops (5x30 minutes). But the Gravity should drop that 2.5 hours down to 1 hour or less (2x20, maybe 3x20). That means a same-day drive instead of breaking it in two.

We're good examples of how the MME *can* road trip most anywhere in the country (we've been to 43 states in it). But the Gravity will just do it so much better, and open up even more routes that are sketchy now (for DCFC). The MME was a great first EV for us.

 

[dbsb3233]

Having put 40,000 miles on between 2 different Premiums with factory wheels and tires, I have never seen 3.2 on the highway. In fact on a trip, I have never seen 3.0 except maybe a slow leg. I drive 75 max, usually 73. I plan trips at 2.7 in the summer and 2.3 in dead of winter. I think lifetime is 2.8.

Lightning is 1.7 to 1.8. I think lifetime is 1.7.

We've done the Denver-Vegas drive at least 25 times in the MME 4x. Got 3.0 once in a summer drive. Lowest was 2.4 in winter. Most were 2.7-2.8.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

@slambertr, make sure you update us on your new car after you’ve driven for awhile and on a couple of longer trips.

Same for you @dbsb3233.

Enquiring minds want to know.

 

[Bobcat17]

i do worry a bit for you seeing that you didn't try it yet, because MachE advertises 32 minutes for my standard range and in reality it is more like 70-90 in my experience

but either way 1 stop is better than 2, best of luck on the switch and congrats on the addition to your family

Definitely need the DC “level 3” charger to charge in 25 minutes.

 

[dbsb3233]

i do worry a bit for you seeing that you didn't try it yet, because MachE advertises 32 minutes for my standard range and in reality it is more like 70-90 in my experience

but either way 1 stop is better than 2, best of luck on the switch and congrats on the addition to your family

There's only 2 normal reasons an MME would take 75-90 minutes to charge at a DCFC charger... either because you're charging to 100% instead of stopping at the usual 80%, or because the charger was delivering WAY below the what the vehicle can handle (either a seriously derated charger, or just a low power charger).

10-80% of 91 kWh is 64 kWh. For 64 kW to take 75 minutes, you're averaging just 51 kW. That's either a slow charger choice, or broken. On a good charger, that should be more like 30 minutes.

 

[dbsb3233]

At 75mph, most people get around 2.7 to 2.8.

In an AWD. I wonder if the people saying 3+ have RWD? 3.0-3.2 would be about right for RWD.

 

[Mach-e4x]

Having put 40,000 miles on between 2 different Premiums with factory wheels and tires, I have never seen 3.2 on the highway. In fact on a trip, I have never seen 3.0 except maybe a slow leg. I drive 75 max, usually 73. I plan trips at 2.7 in the summer and 2.3 in dead of winter. I think lifetime is 2.8.

Lightning is 1.7 to 1.8. I think lifetime is 1.7.

What is max miles per Kwh you ever noticed?
Driving like an old man in town, stop and go 30 mph, I saw 5.3 miles per Kwh.

 

[dbsb3233]

What is max miles per Kwh you ever noticed?
Driving like an old man in town, stop and go 30 mph, I saw 5.3 miles per Kwh.

I rarely even look at mileage locally, since range is no issue close to home (with home charging). It's long road trips that I'm watching MPK closely and doing all the mental calculations to pick the next charger.

 

[RickMachE]

What is max miles per Kwh you ever noticed?
Driving like an old man in town, stop and go 30 mph, I saw 5.3 miles per Kwh.

I never look at it locally. I reset Trip 1 after a trip, and then before a trip, and write down the number, but barely pay attention to it. Out "local" is 45mph or faster.

With CarScanner running, I have seen something like 15.4 (I wrote it down, can't recall), coming down from the mountains. It stops at a max even though it is actually higher (filling the battery back up).

 

[Tampamike]

In my original ‘21 Premium, RWD with ext battery, I figured 2.5 miles/kw or about 2.25 miles/% battery driving at 79 with BC on. My newer ‘24 looks like it’s getting a little more - maybe 2.6/kw but I still use those 2.5/kw or 2.25/%. That gives me about 225 on a full battery and 185 at 80%.

 

[ChrisO]

One thing I don’t see people talking about is that dang charge curve! When you start out from home you can start with 100%, but after that it’s 80%. Imagine if you could only fill up your ICE car to 80%.

Couple that with charge stations farther apart and all the “range” numbers go out the window. Telling someone that the Rwd Select Mach-E can go 250 miles on a 100% is next to useless.

 

[flapjake314]

There's only 2 normal reasons an MME would take 75-90 minutes to charge at a DCFC charger... either because you're charging to 100% instead of stopping at the usual 80%, or because the charger was delivering WAY below the what the vehicle can handle (either a seriously derated charger, or just a low power charger).

10-80% of 91 kWh is 64 kWh. For 64 kW to take 75 minutes, you're averaging just 51 kW. That's either a slow charger choice, or broken. On a good charger, that should be more like 30 minutes.

i generally used EA, the most i've ever done on a sustained basis was one time at around mid-60's kwh, so that matches exactly with what you're saying

frankly the most common speed out of the dozen or so times i used L3 charging was 40-50 kwh (around 75% of my experiences)

many of my charging sessions are in the winter when it is cold, i know about battery preconditioning for L3 but it didn't even exist back then. i've asked previously on this forum and many people experience similar speeds, everyone chalks it up to temp and/or the EA chargers being derated

point is theoretical charging speeds don't matter if you can't get anywhere near them because of A/B/C/D real-world reasons outside of your control... i now know to leave 1-1.5h for charging and to ignore the 30-minute marketing from ford

 

[dbsb3233]

i generally used EA, the most i've ever done on a sustained basis was one time at around mid-60's kwh, so that matches exactly with what you're saying

frankly the most common speed out of the dozen or so times i used L3 charging was 40-50 kwh (around 75% of my experiences)

many of my charging sessions are in the winter when it is cold, i know about battery preconditioning for L3 but it didn't even exist back then. i've asked previously on this forum and many people experience similar speeds, everyone chalks it up to temp and/or the EA chargers being derated

point is theoretical charging speeds don't matter if you can't get anywhere near them because of A/B/C/D real-world reasons outside of your control... i now know to leave 1-1.5h for charging and to ignore the 30-minute marketing from ford

Even in 20F temps, you should be averaging well above 40-50 kW below 80% SOC. If that's all you're getting, the chargers must be derated (or there's a problem with your car).

Some EA chargers being derated is common, and sometimes there are just chronically bad stations. But I can attest to 30 minute sessions averaging around 100 kW being the norm (usually in the 20-80% SOC area). I've done hundreds of them in the Mach-E, across 37 states. Only maybe 5% of my sessions were as bad as 40-50 kW.

Granted, more would have been if I just stayed on a derated charger rather than trying a different one at the station. I'd say maybe 30% of my first attempts at a station are bad (either derated or wouldn't activate at all). So I terminate that attempt and try a different charger at the station, if open. It's very rare than I'm stuck with <50 kW.

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