Sadly Saying Goodbye

[dbsb3233]

I think the sales pitch is that BEV tech moves rapidly.

Reality has been much slower though.

Since the Model S came out in 2013 the tech differences in actual production model BEVs seem pretty in line with the tech differences in ICE since 2013.

The next big breakthrough always seems to be “just around the corner.” But making it into affordable production? That’s a much larger ask.

Leasing used to be the most expensive way to buy a car, but with the lease deals being much better than the depreciation lately, they seem to be the way to go to take out that factor.

That said, I usually keep my cars 6 years or so, so I would have bought out the end of the lease. And at least 4 years in……. Nothing really changed as far as tech goes.

Well at least we'll return to a normal situation on buy vs lease logic soon, not artificially skewed by tax credits. EV leasing spiked on EV models that didn't qualify for the tax credit, but then snuck in the side door via the leasing loophole.

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[Shayne]

We ran into an electrician hired by EA at a station 2 summers ago. Talked to him for a few minutes. He was working I-70 across UT & CO going station to station replacing the cable temp sensors. It was a known problem. They were often failing even when the temps were fine, causing false high readings that automatically derated the charger's power to the failsafe range (usually ~31kw).

I know the senor for L2 charging in this Ford is not working. There is not a hope in heck that Ford is going to go around fixing them. Like limp mode for driving it is more about developing software to mask it. As noted will definitely be moving on from Ford.

 

[Shayne]

GM? CarPlay. Or the lack thereof. Although the Silverado EV had CarPlay in last year’s model irrc.
Tesla: Styling (it sucks imo), CarPlay, Elon. 2 of the 3 have been a consideration since the cars came out. Elon’s antics were just piling on in this case. For me anyway. YMMV.

All this new tech and you are basing decisions on CarPlay? Plays your tunes and you can talk on the phone what else is CarPlay doing for you that you can not be without? Would you take a Cadillac OPTIQ-V if someone gave it to you? Definitely will not be my make or break picking the next one. 800V and HP will along with a decent track record this time and no taking a chance on a company that I think is reputable. Forget this slow MME looking forward to stepping up

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Would you take a Cadillac OPTIQ-V if someone gave it to you

No. Seriously, I would not.

I'm quite happy with my mme. if I replace it for any reason, the leading candidate is another mme. I know others do not share that point of view, but that’s why there are other car manufacturers.

And yes, I am quite serious. No CarPlay, no purchase. I’m far from alone in this as well.

 

[Mach1E]

No. Seriously, I would not.

I'm quite happy with my mme. if I replace it for any reason, the leading candidate is another mme. I know others do not share that pointing view, but that’s why there are other car manufacturers.

And yes, I am quite serious. No CarPlay, no purchase. I’m far from alone in this as well.

You aren’t alone. But for me it’s not CarPlay, it’s “ugly.”

I won’t drive an ugly car, even if it’s free.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

You aren’t alone. But for me it’s not CarPlay, it’s “ugly.”

I won’t drive an ugly car, even if it’s free.

That too. That was the primary reason a Tesla was out of the question for so long. That and the well documented fitment issues. The Oracle of Pretoria’s recent antics don’t help either.

 

[Sikkun]

Doesn’t really matter but I totally do 500 mile trips off one charge stop with my extended range.

At least during the 3 seasons, I don’t take trips in winter.

 

[dbsb3233]

I know the senor for L2 charging in this Ford is not working. There is not a hope in heck that Ford is going to go around fixing them. Like limp mode for driving it is more about developing software to mask it. As noted will definitely be moving on from Ford.

There's a temp sensor in the car for L2 charging?

Don't think I've ever heard that being an issue. Not that any part can't fail, of course. But it's the first report I've heard of that one.

 

[dbsb3233]

All this new tech and you are basing decisions on CarPlay? Plays your tunes and you can talk on the phone what else is CarPlay doing for you that you can not be without? Would you take a Cadillac OPTIQ-V if someone gave it to you? Definitely will not be my make or break picking the next one. 800V and HP will along with a decent track record this time and no taking a chance on a company that I think is reputable. Forget this slow MME looking forward to stepping up

Track record time means zero to me, just like CarPlay mean zero to you. Android Auto is a factor for me though.

So is price. If someone GAVE me a $75k Cadillac, of course I'd take it. Before turning around and trading it off for what I really wanted, of course.

 

[ChrisO]

All this new tech and you are basing decisions on CarPlay? Plays your tunes and you can talk on the phone what else is CarPlay doing for you that you can not be without? Would you take a Cadillac OPTIQ-V if someone gave it to you? Definitely will not be my make or break picking the next one. 800V and HP will along with a decent track record this time and no taking a chance on a company that I think is reputable. Forget this slow MME looking forward to stepping up

For me the main reason I want Android Auto (and for my wife Car Play) is the navigation. See, when I buy them, it is "for life". Long past when I trust automakers to support things like this. Sure, I could use my phone separately, but it is so much nicer to use the built-in screen.

There is also something that stick in my craw, GM's CEO saying, "We don't make displays". The fact that the CEO has no concern of what a lot of his customers want, tells me that when it comes to other features it is probably "You take the features I want to make, and like it.".

 

[Shayne]

You aren’t alone. But for me it’s not CarPlay, it’s “ugly.”

I won’t drive an ugly car, even if it’s free.

More about go then show for me but each to their own. How easy to wash and detail is more important than looks here. I pick color for the easiest maintenance.

There's a temp sensor in the car for L2 charging?

Don't think I've ever heard that being an issue. Not that any part can't fail, of course. But it's the first report I've heard of that one.

Must not follow here the charging ports were melting so they installed software to monitor the temp (somehow) and slow down the charging by throttling it.

Mine throttles the L2 and will no longer charge at 40 amp. This has been proven at the dealers now twice but they tell me they have no software to fix it and refuse to address it. Last time it was charging at 2.2 KW on their 48 amp (10 KW) charger. Basically limp mode for your home charging that the NHTSA does not see as a safety issue so will not be forcing them to fix it like the HVJB that Ford wanted to fix with limp mode driving software. Just like my stuff to work.

Holding this for a bit and have no idea what is next good to see innovation again.

 

[markboris]

There's a temp sensor in the car for L2 charging?

Don't think I've ever heard that being an issue. Not that any part can't fail, of course. But it's the first report I've heard of that one.

What Shayne speaks of is a thermistor that monitors both the AC and DC pins temperature at the charge port while the HVB is charging. The SOBDM reads the thermistor temp data and if it exceeds 50C higher than ambient temperature, the charging is de-rated or may stop all together. At some point a couple of years ago (Shayne would know) one of Ford's OTA updates changed this temp threshold on many cars (lowered it) and now they are limited to a slower rate of charging.

 

[dbsb3233]

More about go then show for me but each to their own. How easy to wash and detail is more important than looks here. I pick color for the easiest maintenance.


Must not follow here the charging ports were melting so they installed software to monitor the temp (somehow) and slow down the charging by throttling it.

Mine throttles the L2 and will no longer charge at 40 amp. This has been proven at the dealers now twice but they tell me they have no software to fix it and refuse to address it. Last time it was charging at 2.2 KW on their 48 amp (10 KW) charger. Basically limp mode for your home charging that the NHTSA does not see as a safety issue so will not be forcing them to fix it like the HVJB that Ford wanted to fix with limp mode driving software. Just like my stuff to work.

Holding this for a bit and have no idea what is next good to see innovation again.

2.2kw?? Yeah, that does suck. Missed any reports of that.

I've got my Grizzl-E set at 24A (5.7kw) which has always been plenty for our needs (and it still charges at that), so I haven't even tried to charge at 40A in years.

 

[Shayne]

What Shayne speaks of is a thermistor that monitors both the AC and DC pins temperature at the charge port while the HVB is charging. The SOBDM reads the thermistor temp data and if it exceeds 50C higher than ambient temperature, the charging is de-rated or may stop all together. At some point a couple of years ago (Shayne would know) one of Ford's OTA updates changed this temp threshold on many cars (lowered it) and now they are limited to a slower rate of charging.

I understood it use to throw an error as something is not right at 105C and they lowered that through software to 80C with no error just throttling the charging until possibly it stops. Seen 2.2 KW 4.4 at number of 6.x basically just butchered software making the car truly legacy. Should be a flag at 80C also but that does not take place. OTA updates making my car better like promised.

2.2kw?? Yeah, that does suck. Missed any reports of that.

I've got my Grizzl-E set at 24A (5.7kw) which has always been plenty for our needs (and it still charges at that), so I haven't even tried to charge at 40A in years.

You are on one of those long trips plug in at the hotel to wake up and it is not close to 100% yet. Mine works for home also just no longer close to spec and will not work as specified when needed.

Edit: Took 9.3 hours to charge the car only 66% the first time at the dealers over a year ago. Last time gave up when I saw the 2.2 Kw and picked it up not fixed and they have no direction to fix it.

 

[Space_Pony]

I understood it use to throw an error as something is not right at 105C and they lowered that through software to 80C with no error just throttling the charging until possibly it stops. Seen 2.2 KW 4.4 at number of 6.x basically just butchered software making the car truly legacy. Should be a flag at 80C also but that does not take place. OTA updates making my car better like promised.


You are on one of those long trips plug in at the hotel to wake up and it is not close to 100% yet. Mine works for home also just no longer close to spec and will not work as specified when needed.

Edit: Took 9.3 hours to charge the car only 66% the first time at the dealers over a year ago. Last time gave up when I saw the 2.2 Kw and picked it up not fixed and they have no direction to fix it.

Which models have that problem. I charge at 48 amps at home and have never seen it slow down. I've never charged at a hotel but I would assume it would charge as at home.

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