The Mach-E needs a REAL refresh!

[leehinde]

Regarding the ABBA member and their bananas:

ABBA are from Sweden. Bjorn is based in Norway.

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[kltye]

True, but the major hold back I am sure is simple lack of effective charging options and range. These are horrible for traveling greater than 150 miles. My wife and I share this car as our commuter and errand runner, but for trips we have other vehicles. I think this is being rushed.

I'm always amused by people saying this is "horrible" for long distance drives. My wife and I regularly drive to West Virginia, aka the blackhole of EV charging, and we do so without any issues. We've also driven to Canada, northern Wisconsin, Missouri, etc. without issue. Unless we absolutely have to make it in record time to our destination (which I used to do, radar detector and all), I think this is a bit hyperbolic.

 

[Mantastic]

The car is barely 3 years old.

Up next will be some minor styling updates, a few new colors and some extra features.

Major refreshes on a completely brand new platform and model don’t tend to come this soon.

The ICE Mustang generations tend to last around a decade or more.

6th Gen Mustang lasted 9 years. 5th gen 10 years and 4th was 11 years.

https://www.autolist.com/ford-mustang/ford-mustang-generations

And the 7th generation Mustang? Seems like just a mild refresh of the 6th.

Fair to point out the car is only 3 years old, but I also think it's a bit of a false equivalency to compare refresh times to an ICE muscle car to the Mach-E, where technology is changing at a pretty rapid pace.

5 to 6 years makes sense. Earlier than that would probably kneecap already slumping sales of this gen.

 

[Jimrpa]

ABBA are from Sweden. Bjorn is based in Norway.

There’s a difference?

 

[Jimrpa]

It's all how you use it. Heat pumps help significantly in motor heat scavenging. It could also scavenge battery heat while charging using less energy. Tesla's use of them yields results that aren't even in the same league as resistance heaters. Huge difference.

Heat pump used 75% of the energy while bringing the temp up 30+ degrees warmer starting at -20f.

So a heat pump “warmed” the cabin to a balmy 10 degrees F? this is why I like electric resistance heaters

 

[67mustang]

I'm saying that if you want a new car around then and don't want your vehicle crippled, you have to buy one from the year before.

Yep, that's how it works. It's the same as any other safety regulation. Or buy out of state. But doubt the bill passes anyway, it's probably just some rider attached to one that will never pass so they can say they tried.

 

[Mach1E]

Fair to point out the car is only 3 years old, but I also think it's a bit of a false equivalency to compare refresh times to an ICE muscle car to the Mach-E, where technology is changing at a pretty rapid pace.

5 to 6 years makes sense. Earlier than that would probably kneecap already slumping sales of this gen.

Weird, you posted the exact same thing in post #35 and #78.

 

[BigMach-E]

I don’t care much. I’ve got mine and I’m going to drive it until it doesn’t drive any longer. I hope by that time the landscape has changed significantly regarding EVs. I have no desire to swap out, but I do think that a really good HUD, next gen CarPlay, no 5 second neutering, and ventilated seats could be the things that Ford should and could improve.

 

[Ghost Mach-E]

Okay. I love my Mach-E, but they definitely are going to have kick it up several notches, I recently went full electric fleet. We traded in our Sorento for Kia EV9. This thing is a beast. Blind spot camera, full heating every seat, all cameras are amazing quality. It's fast, smooth, artificial car sounds for those that like that. 80% charge i got 340 miles of range in normal driving mode. I had zero issues with android auto or digital key so far. I hate the wheels. Its very fun to drive for being so big. Land trim AWD. The Mach-E definitely needs to updated in several ways.

 

[DeluxeStang]

Ford, please stop with the 'special editions,' where the core of the car pretty much remains the same. The Mach-E needs a REAL update!

In evaluating the EV competition out there, the following are a few observations of mine.

With the Mach-E, @Ford Motor Company hit the mark on many aspects:

• Driver-side and center screens
• Wireless CarPlay/Android Auto
• Generous frunk
• $0 Interior color choices
• Fair-priced paint options

But based on the competition and new laws, misses with:

• 400v architecture, limited to ~150kW DCFC charging
• Its infamous 'bouncy' ride (sheesh @Ford Motor Company, if MagnaRide is truly better, just include it in all Mach-Es!)
• Ineligibility for IRA discounts when purchasing

The market has matured, and the competition (Hyundai/Kia/Genesis) now offers:

• 800v charging architecture, allowing DCFC speeds up to 350kW
• Greater efficiency: Up to 361 miles of range from a smaller battery pack
• Much better ride quality

Where Hyundai/Kia/Genesis fail miserably is:

• Wired CarPlay/Android Auto
• Only the more expensive Genesis offers an interior color other than black
• Small-to-tiny frunks

With my Ford Options term ending in January 2025, I've been tracking the EV landscape in search of an EV that has everything I'm looking for without spending more than I did on my 2021 Mach-E Premium Extended Range RWD. So far, it's slim pickings!

What do others think? The forthcoming new models that I've read about, such as the ID.7, still fail to hit the mark on many of these benchmarks/features.

I believe we're getting a second gen around 2026. No sense in updating the current mach-e when the second gen is right around the corner.

 

[Hammered]

All ICE F150s have blind spot turn signal cams when a trailer is plugged in. Just needs 'cracked'.

Auto blind spot blinker cam when trailer is connected....

And 50/50 views at speed....

 

[blkadr08]

as bad as sales are I'm not sure they want to put a whole lot of money into the platform

Bad sales is exactly why they should want to put money into the platform.

 

[Guss-E 2021]

I've all but given up on making predictions. Things are changing to fast and there are simply too many variables to keep track of. It's not like I'm going to come back her in 5-10 years and be like, "Ha, see, I was right!"

Every car on the road ever made had/has shortcomings yet folks still drive them for years. Honestly, the longer Ford takes to truly refresh the Mach-E the better. That way folks you bought a 2021 or 2022 can squeeze the life out of the vehicle (like I think folks should).

 

[dbsb3233]

Every car on the road ever made had/has shortcomings yet folks still drive them for years.

This. There is no perfect car. Not at a mainstream price point anyway.

I get that it's fun to make wishlists for what other things we'd like our cars to have/do. I've got my wishlist too. But as you said, EVERY car has it's shortcomings. Frankly, I think the Mach-E hits the mark on a ton of things just as it is, far more than most. I don't think it needs a refresh.

What it does need is the tax credit back and a way to get the cost of the batteries way lower (to make the price more competitive). That's the main thing that's squashed demand IMO (beyond the broader issues of high interest rates and EV challenges in general for the bulk of the public).

Ford getting it's US battery plant open in hopes of lowering battery costs and qualifying for the tax credit again would be a huge boost for the Mach-E. That is, assuming the plant will be making Mach-E batteries. I haven't heard that confirmed but I would assume it will. Non-qualifying battery imports (presumably at a cost premium) are really hurting MME demand.

 

[MrLoganRoss]

I think you can rest assured that they're desperate to get the tax credit back. That's killing them. But of course, it takes years to to build and get their own battery plants up and running, sourced with qualifying materials, etc. The government basically f'd them over (along with most of legacy makers).

800v would be nice but I really don't have a problem with current charge speeds. Not a priority for me (and we road trip a ton).

The ride quality is a big one for me too. But not because of bouncing, it's just more stiff and jarring than I'd like on city streets. I prefer a softer more luxury ride. Even our Bronco Sport has a smoother ride on dips and rougher streets.

Have you tried different tires? I went from stock summer to Continental DWS, and the experience on the GTPE is night and day.

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