The only thing Tesla has over Mach-E

[Doobster6]

If I'm taking a nice weekend leisurely drive, it certain isn't in an appliance like the Mach-E or Model Y. I'm 100% driving some fun like the Bronco.

The MME…..an ‘appliance’? For shame!! The Toyota Camry is an appliance, as are most Buicks and countless others. I would never consider the MME in their category. I once owned a 2004 CTS-V and I would put the MME in that group and today, would prefer it over the Caddy.

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[music_cities]

That’s a great perspective, and likely very practical too in regards to rest, stretching, and seeing nice sights off the beaten trails. Actually, my wife and I are both retired now (three and four years respectively) and have already broken the twelve hours Chicago trip into a two-day affair to make it easier on ourselves (9 hours per day is now our practical limit).
I’ve been thinking about this from the perspective of time-efficiency, habits likely ingrained after decades of ICE-car driving, plentiful gas stations and five-minute stops. Driving pleasure or not (and we’ve owned some great driving cars) we’ve been the type that ‘just wants to get there’ as soon as possible, and put the driving behind us. Until non-Tesla public chargers become more plentiful and reliable, I would fear the horror stories I read and watch online about broken-down chargers and the remaining ones clogged by a long line of anxious drivers. You’ve managed to make these drives more of an adventure and take the time to seek out these more desirable charger locations which I’m also guessing will sometimes take you somewhat out-of-the-way and even add distance and time to your trips. Sadly, I don’t think we fit that profile, yet anyway, although it does sound like a nice profile!

We also have the luxury of not having to travel on busy long weekends or holidays. I can take a Friday or Monday off to make any weekend a long weekend. I’ve never had to wait for a charger. Only when On The Run in Canada had free introductory charging did I have to drive past a few I wanted to use to get to a paid DCFC that had space. And once when I wanted to try out The Most Beautiful DCFC In The World (Field, BC) just for the photo op.

 

[exit74chris]

Yes, they replaced a device that had zero moving parts (to generate heat) with a device that uses pumps, valves, and fluids to generate heat. And claim the tube Goldberg contraption is “more efficient” ?

I understand how heat pumps work, they operate in an automotive sense in a very limited range of temps (roughly 20-50 degrees).

Otherwise it's resistive heat.

For the number of days that are within that window, I'll keep my range loss and bigger frunk.

 

[Art]

I have had a Lexus RZ, a 2021 Mach-E first Edition, a Tesla Model Y and currently a "24 Mach-E Premium. No need to discuss the Lexus. Frankly, the only thing the Tesla has over the Mach-E is the "Dog Mode". The Dog Mode keeps your car cool while you run into the store etc. A message pops up on the screen showing inside temperature and stating my owner will be back (don't call the police). The rest of the Tesla software is a distraction or "boy toys" like lights flashing, windows going up and down while music plays. Really? A software update for "dog mode" in Mach-E would be useful, appreciated and should not be too difficult.

My wife has a new Model 3 so I have some experience with it. I have a 2021 MME.
What I like in the Tesla:
1. I like that the charging cable can only be pulled out by the owner.
2. I like that the way the charging door opens.
3. A dog mode is nice.
4. She has a larger range.
5. The quality of build is better than I expected.
6. She has access to the full supercharger network.

What I like in my MME:
1. The FordPass shows me all I need to know on a single charging session. The Tesla app shows a vertical line on a graph and only shows a monthly accumulation of kWH and money spent. The FordPass is far better.
2. I like that once you have your options set, you can see on the smaller screen everthing that you need while driving. She has to look sideways for that information.
4. To enter the car, she presses a button and a handle pops out and you pull on the handle to open the door. The handle is flimsy and looks as if it will break. It also looks like it would be prone to freezing. I like the way the Mustang opens.
5. I also like the door code on the Mustang.
6. I can open my glove box easily, she has to press an icon on the screen.
7. The Mustang seems to be built better.
8. The Mustang has grab handles inside and the Tesla does not.
9. The Mustang has a turn signal stalk and she has buttons on the steering wheel. I prefer stalks.
10. The Mustang has a wheel for forward or reverse. She has a slider on the main screen. I would prefer a knob as my Prius had, but that's not a problem.
11. The Mustang shows estimated miles and % of charge on the smaller screen. She has access to % of charge or miles, but not both on the larger screen.

Voice commands work well in both cars. In the Tesla you can overcome some of the apparent problems with voice commands.
We have a single Grizzl-E that we use for both cars. I bought an adapter ($38) to use on the Tesla. That setup works well.

 

[djcordy]

I seriously doubt you’ve owned a Model Y. The number one thing I want is Sentry on all the EVs I’ve owned. Don’t care about Dog mode. Hyundai/Kia/Genesis/Toyota have Utility or Room mode also.

 

[djcordy]

Besides the camera and most of the software being superior, at least Tesla hasn't screwed their early adoption customers like Ford has done by stopping software updates on the older EV's (like my 2021).
My son's TESLA is a year older and he still getting significant updates on features and capabilities from TESLA.
IMO, TESLA has a significant rich feature package. For example, to be able to see cars in lanes next to you, keyless entry that seems to work all the time, superior hands free driving vs blue cruise which you are lucky if is available and will stay engaged for longer than 30 min, the surveillance system, etc. Not to mention Doggy mode.

I think most of you have proven my point. In short, I'd rather drive something that looks and feels like a car rather than a C.O.W. with a spartan bubble for a cabin.

 

[dbsb3233]

Dog mode is a great idea, but I don't think a message on the screen is sufficient. Most random people don't know to even look there.

It would be great if they used the security sensors to detect if someone is within a few feet while in dog mode, and play an external audio message saying "The car is being climate controlled and any humans or animals inside are safe".

 

[mccdeuce]

That tells you very little, Almsot useless info. Needs to show what a casual ev owner would want To see. What is my charge rate , ie. Miles per hour charge. Tell me amps, as that is much more useful. KW is nto useful at all for the average owner. And having more control over charging would be better in the app as well as the car. And this is after 12 years in a Tesla. Have finally realized how Many bad things Tesla does, which includes estimating range and efficiency. Not nearly as good as they pretend.

I am not sure I agree with you but that’s why we have multiple options out there!

To me my car uses miles per kW so kW per hour tells me how fast my car is getting energy. I don’t need this on the dash in my car as I am generally not in the car while charging. I also do not need instantaneous knowledge as the charge rate will change as the energy level goes up.
My personal experience with A Model 3 was similar overall charge rates. On Sunday I went to my first SuperCharger station and surprisingly the Teslas were getting about the same charge rates. Initial rate was better but once we were at 50% we all were getting 75kWh.

I am very happy with my experience, do not like the Tesla experience but to each their own.

 

[voxel]

On Sunday I went to my first SuperCharger station and surprisingly the Teslas were getting about the same charge rates. Initial rate was better but once we were at 50% we all were getting 75kWh.

If you were in a Tesla then you visited a V2 location where 150 kW power is split in two if A and B stalls are used. Same thing happens with new EA locations - they power split. I had to suffer 80-90 kW split speeds with my Rivian R1S and that was just unacceptable. 45mins to charge 50%

Once you folks move to large battery (130 kWh) EVs, you will cry for 800V charging. 400V is a dead end.

 

[voxel]

The MME…..an ‘appliance’? For shame!! The Toyota Camry is an appliance, as are most Buicks and countless others. I would never consider the MME in their category. I once owned a 2004 CTS-V and I would put the MME in that group and today, would prefer it over the Caddy.

10000% appliance.

MINI electric was a hoot to drive. The Bronco is a blast with the windows/top down. BMW i4 felt like a proper sports sedans (maybe a tad below an M3). I had a 7000lb R1S that would smoke every single Mach-E from 0 to 60 to the 1/4 mile. Mach-E is a good all around vehicle but does almost nothing all that well and is most definitely an appliance. A C8 is not an appliance.

 

[mccdeuce]

If you were in a Tesla then you visited a V2 location where 150 kW power is split in two if A and B stalls are used. Same thing happens with new EA locations - they power split. I had to suffer 80-90 kW split speeds with my Rivian R1S and that was just unacceptable. 45mins to charge 50%

Once you folks move to large battery (130 kWh) EVs, you will cry for 800V charging. 400V is a dead end.

I was in the MME using adapter, V3 stalls I believe and coupon of the vehicles I checked out were not in A/B type stalls.
More a comment about my surprise on charging curves.

I rarely publicly charge, and won’t be going to a larger battery anytime soon. (This trip was to upgrade our e-Golf to a MME, so we are now a 2 pony house) we do not like large vehicles, nor have the need for more than 250 mile range. So a larger battery for us is just dead weight for 90% of our trips.

I agree 800V has it’s advantages, but I would have preferred the tech migrated to “fuel rods”

 

[Jeff-NoVA]

What's carwash mode?

If you own a Cybertruck, it immediately shifts into reverse and FSD drives you far away from the carwash.

I do wish the Mach-E cameras could record like in a Tesla.

 

[enhost]

I can feel the hate coming my way, but here it is anyway.
Where do I start? Not in order of importance:

• AC and Accessories On once you open the door or someone just sits inside the car.
• Unlimited user profiles
• Dog Mode
• Camp Mode
• Real Keep On Mode
• Reliable Phone As A Key
• Fully running and drivable car from the phone in case PAAK fails(which it does fail all the time).
• Useful and FREE autopilot (not that expensive BlueCruise garbage)
• Simpler and with better responsiveness user interface
• Nice graphics in UI, not those half-assed rectangles that look they were drawn on Paint on Windows 3.1
• Better Audio system as the B&O "Premium" garbage system is no match for even Tesla's Non-Premium Audio System.
• Less reliance on legacy ICE systems and routines that don't apply at all to an EV. (Car shutoff when Frunk is opened, for instance)
• Less noticeable automatic brake system use when coming to a full stop. More seamless one pedal use.
• Longer, with adjustable height arm rest.(Tesla does not have it adjustable, but it is by default at a higher position)
• Electric, automatic steering wheel positioning adjustment based on user profile.
• If you are going to add a dashboard display then a Better position for it is needed as steering wheel gets in the line of sight constantly. Also give more customizations options to it.
• More trunk capacity
• Trunk second compartment below main trunk. (Tesla's is huge)
• LESS CHIMES!! WTF? Ford.
• Less false annoying audible warnings of "Watch the Road" or "Grab the Steering Wheel". This makes moot the whole point of the system which is reducing stress while increasing safety. I just turned it off, because I can't stand it. If I die, I will die happy and with no rage while at it.
• It needs an actually useful wireless charger that doesn't overheat the phone.
• If they are going to give us Android Auto make it customizable and better laid out. I don't need to see the weather my whole drive. (I know Tesla does not have AA, but just a something worth mentioning)
• Dashcam.
• Simple way of managing charging target point. The by location non-sense is absurd to say the least.
• NO MORE DEALERS.
• NO MORE DEALERS.
• NO MORE DEALERS.
• AN EV DOESN'T NEED A 10K, 20K SERVICE, ETC. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER STEALERSHIP MONEYGRAB SCHEME

There are many more things I can think of, but that is it for now.

 

[superdave80]

You can see how fast you are charging in FordPass. Works with LVL3 too.

Why doesn't Ford just make this info available on the GIANT SCREEN IN THE CAR!?!?!

Actually, I already know the answer: They want to keep control of as much of the car as possible, and make you dependent on FordPass to do that. There is ZERO reason that this info can't be pulled up on the car's screen.

 

[HuntingPudel]

OT How much smaller is the new Frunk?
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The 2025 frunk is roughly 40% smaller than the 2024 frunk. ??

While the 2024 frunk is slightly different from the 2021 frunk, this is a photo of my 2021’s frunk. Definitely cannot do that with a 2025. I have done similar in the 2024. ??

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