The only thing Tesla has over Mach-E

[Jimrpa]

From a technology perspective, tesla has a lot of things that most cars will not have for 10 years.

Tesla runs every safety system in the car with a set of cameras and self driving computer, meaning they can do things no other car can.

They do not have limitations of radar so the automatic emergency braking system can actually avoid accidents and see cars/pedestrians from further away instead of last minute.

The cars also can brake for cross moving traffic which is something no other car can do. (pedestrians, animals, cars that run red lights, etc.)

This saves $1000s of dollars too because you don't need separate blind spot, AEB, and adas systems.

new model Y refresh is manufactured for under $35K. Ford probably can't make the mach E for less than $45K and add in the 25% tariff and they are doomed.

Is that why they’re so good at running into stopped emergency vehicles on highways? ?

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[tobiasjef]

Is that why they’re so good at running into stopped emergency vehicles on highways? ?

that's an ignorant comment because that happened with older software back in 2021 or so. The new stuff is much better. Look at that. Cars won't have these features for more than 10 years

As opposed to bluecruise which does not even see a stationary vehicle in broad daylight?

 

[MonkeyNutz]

My guess is that a lot of the parts for the heat pump are off the shelf parts that take up more room than they have to. Tesla probably squeezed the volume down by making their own purpose-built parts. I’m still interested in seeing a 2025 with the frunk tub removed to see how Ford packaged everything. ?‍?

Cobbling things together from the existing parts library is what Ford engineers do best.

I’m sure Munro or someone like that will give us a good look as the ‘25s start Landing in customer hands. While I’m curious, I’m sure they’ll be pictures and videos of the new heat pump before I get my car. Also not sure I’m ambitious enough to remove the tub just to take a picture.

As opposed to bluecruise which does not even see a stationary vehicle in broad daylight?

I’m always perplexed how people seem to trust BlueCruise or GM’s SuperCruise when they don’t trust Tesla FSD. Also can’t understand how the NHTSA and IIHS give Ford and GM a pass to be hands-free, while Tesla can not be. None of them should be hands-free, nor trusted to fully drive without driver supervision and awareness.

 

[tobiasjef]

I’m always perplexed how people seem to trust BlueCruise or GM’s SuperCruise when they don’t trust Tesla FSD. Also can’t understand how the NHTSA and IIHS give Ford and GM a pass to be hands-free, while Tesla can not be. None of them should be hands-free, nor trusted to fully drive without driver supervision and awareness.

FSD is hands free and has been for about 1 year

Tesla not being hands free was purely because they are pushing the limits of what a car can do

 

[MonkeyNutz]

FSD is hands free and has been for about 1 year

Tesla not being hands free was purely because they are pushing the limits of what a car can do

Hmmm…. My 2020 Model Y still nags to have the hands on the wheel with FSD active. It also has plenty of other quirks being one of the first off the production line…

 

[Blue highway]

Hmmm…. My 2020 Model Y still nags to have the hands on the wheel with FSD active. It also has plenty of other quirks being one of the first off the production line…

Maybe the HW4 is different. It used to nag, I don't recall it doing that anymore... at least on the highway which is where I use FSD.

This is such a ridiculous post... Tesla M3 and MY have so many advantages over the MME. Faster charging speed, better efficiency, better charging network, better audio system, quieter ride, better comfort, etc etc. I can only see two things where the MME may have the lead : styling, which is subjective, and not beeing associated to Elon Musk, which could be a thing in the future especially for resale value. And this is an MME owner speaking by the way.

I have both a Y and an MME. The Y has a lot more road noise than the MME. The 21 MME has no squeaks or rattles... the 23 Y has some creaks. but yeah, the sound system in the Y is better.

 

[tobiasjef]

Hmmm…. My 2020 Model Y still nags to have the hands on the wheel with FSD active. It also has plenty of other quirks being one of the first off the production line…

maybe you're thinking about autopilot?

FSD since version 12.4 which was about 1 year ago added eye tracking

They call it driver attention monitoring. It does sometimes not enable at night in cars that do not have IR camera.

 

[Art]

I have had a Lexus RZ, a 2021 Mach-E first Edition, a Tesla Model Y and currently a "24 Mach-E Premium. No need to discuss the Lexus. Frankly, the only thing the Tesla has over the Mach-E is the "Dog Mode". The Dog Mode keeps your car cool while you run into the store etc. A message pops up on the screen showing inside temperature and stating my owner will be back (don't call the police). The rest of the Tesla software is a distraction or "boy toys" like lights flashing, windows going up and down while music plays. Really? A software update for "dog mode" in Mach-E would be useful, appreciated and should not be too difficult.

I have had a Lexus RZ, a 2021 Mach-E first Edition, a Tesla Model Y and currently a "24 Mach-E Premium. No need to discuss the Lexus. Frankly, the only thing the Tesla has over the Mach-E is the "Dog Mode". The Dog Mode keeps your car cool while you run into the store etc. A message pops up on the screen showing inside temperature and stating my owner will be back (don't call the police). The rest of the Tesla software is a distraction or "boy toys" like lights flashing, windows going up and down while music plays. Really? A software update for "dog mode" in Mach-E would be useful, appreciated and should not be too difficult.

I would have to disagree with you.
1. The charging port on a Tesla won't open for anyone but the owner.
2. The charging cable on a Tesla cannot be pulled out by anyone other then the owner.
3. The Tesla updates are usually bug free.
4. The Tesla batteries are more efficient, so the range is greater.
Those are significant differences.

 

[Jimrpa]

that's an ignorant comment because that happened with older software back in 2021 or so. The new stuff is much better. Look at that. Cars won't have these features for more than 10 years

As opposed to bluecruise which does not even see a stationary vehicle in broad daylight?

No, BlueCruise does not “see” objects for proximity detection. It relies on a radar in the front of the vehicle. Multi-sensor data fusion is a perfectly valid way to develop an understanding of an environment. Tesla chose to remove all sensors other than cameras. Time will tell whether this approach or a multi-sensor approach (and Ford doesn’t have a very robust suite of sensors) is better for unsupervised driving on public roads. So far, Tesla seems to have had many high-profile incidents.

 

[tobiasjef]

No, BlueCruise does not “see” objects for proximity detection. It relies on a radar in the front of the vehicle. Multi-sensor data fusion is a perfectly valid way to develop an understanding of an environment. Tesla chose to remove all sensors other than cameras. Time will tell whether this approach or a multi-sensor approach (and Ford doesn’t have a very robust suite of sensors) is better for unsupervised driving on public roads. So far, Tesla seems to have had many high-profile incidents.

There again with your ignorant comments. Ford does not have a multi-sensor fusion approach in that they are detecting cars with radar and then detecting lane lines with a camera. That's the worst way to do it because the radar they are using is unsafe.

By comparison if you are going to only use 1 sensor and not fuse multiple results together that would be cameras only.

you have to remember at the time FSD was promised, there were not good imaging radars available and cruise control radar is useless

The point is that tesla no longer has significant issues with stationary vehicles.

In fact if you look at fsd disengagements today, 80% of them are just mapping issues. Fix tesla mapping issues and 80% of the disengagements go away. Which tesla already drives 98% good.

If tesla can also add road signs into the mapping then almost all of tesla's disengagements will go away and we will see truly edge case driving at that point.

 

[Mach1E]

FSD is hands free and has been for about 1 year

Tesla not being hands free was purely because they are pushing the limits of what a car can do

No, it was purely because they didn’t have a way to safely monitor the driver to make sure they’re paying attention.

That’s why there were multiple NHTSA investigations and a recall. And that was even BEFORE hands free.

https://www.automotivedive.com/news/nhtsa-opens-investigation-tesla-fsd-odi-crashes-autopilot/730353/#:~:text=As%20a%20result%20of%20those,%2C%20serious%20injury%20or%20death.”

One of the biggest issues with FSD was the name. It was never and still isn’t “full self driving.” Level 2 autonomous should never have been marketed this way.

There is good reason you never see Mach E videos on YouTube with the driver crawling in the back seat…….. you can’t.

The most important “sensor” in any of these systems is the drivers eyes.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

The most important “sensor” in any of these systems is the drivers eyes

Tangent Ahead Alert!

BlueCruise 1.3 eliminated one of the issues my 2021 had with many of our roads. Prior to 1.3 adaptive cruise control with lane centering would only engage on our major surface arteries. Since 1.3 though, it works as it should. So now I like to play a game with it (usually intentionally). I call it the “How many different ways can I get the Keep Your eyes On the Road alert” game.

Eye nanny’s are an essential element of L2 hands free. Full Self Drive is beyond misleading as a trade name and it’s intentional imo.

 

[Jimrpa]

There again with your ignorant comments. Ford does not have a multi-sensor fusion approach in that they are detecting cars with radar and then detecting lane lines with a camera. That's the worst way to do it because the radar they are using is unsafe.

By comparison if you are going to only use 1 sensor and not fuse multiple results together that would be cameras only.

you have to remember at the time FSD was promised, there were not good imaging radars available and cruise control radar is useless

The point is that tesla no longer has significant issues with stationary vehicles.

In fact if you look at fsd disengagements today, 80% of them are just mapping issues. Fix tesla mapping issues and 80% of the disengagements go away. Which tesla already drives 98% good.

If tesla can also add road signs into the mapping then almost all of tesla's disengagements will go away and we will see truly edge case driving at that point.

Sigh, ford has never said that they intended for their existing sensor suite or architecture to be able to support unattended driving. Your “arguments” are akin to saying a lawn tractor sucks because it can’t do 0-60 in less than two seconds ?

I won’t even attempt to try to explain multi-sensor data fusion to you. It’s clear that you have an opinion (based on whatever) that single-domain sensors are sufficient for unattended vehicle driving (which the current iteration of BlueCruise is NOT intended to achieve).

Enjoy your Tesla.

 

[Jimrpa]

Tangent Ahead Alert!

BlueCruise 1.3 eliminated one of the issues my 2021 had with many of our roads. Prior to 1.3 adaptive cruise control with lane centering would only engage on our major surface arteries. Since 1.3 though, it works as it should. So now I like to play a game with it (usually intentionally). I call it the “How many different ways can I get the Keep Your eyes On the Road alert” game.

Eye nanny’s are an essential element of L2 hands free. Full Self Drive is beyond misleading as a trade name and it’s intentional imo.

Tesla’s marketing for their systems has been incredibly deceptive for years. First, they tried to call it “Auto Pilot”, then they tried “Full Self Driving”, which was so blatantly false, they were forced to add a parenthetical “Supervised” to the name.

 

[Mustangor]

Meanwhile, we Europeans are waiting for anything remotly ressembling an Auto Pilot...

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