Update on Mach-E launch progress from engineering friends in Mexico

[kikibop]

THE numbers I saw were over 20,000 NA and 20,000 EURO and over 20,000 reservations for the GT.
How about 76% of orders are premium models.

that reads different than the slide which says 20,000 orders total, no?

 

[trutolife27]

that reads different than the slide which says 20,000 orders total, no?

yep, and was corrected in the meeting.

 

[jhalkias]

The divider is in the Mache right now going down the chassis line.

So whoever is happy we are still getting it great. If you don't like you can take it out. But more is better right? One day might need it.

Somebody at Ford better tell Zach and Cody or whatever their names are on the Mach E tours that they are giving out the wrong info.

 

[Jimrpa]

Somebody at Ford better tell Zach and Cody or whatever their names are on the Mach E tours that they are giving out the wrong info.

Here’s my theory on the divider: in the US, you have to have an illuminated emergency release inside luggage compartments in case people get stuck inside. The one in the front trunk is a push button, electric release. Someone realized, at the last minute “what happens if the battery dies?” Well, the koi aren’t going to be able to escape, but neither are any kids stuck in there. Hence the divider. They disabled all the electrical methods of opening it to maintain the fiction that it’s a compartment too small for a person, so it doesn’t need an emergency release. In fact, I’m surprised they didn’t remove the glow in the dark decal.

 

[carbonizedbrett]

No they do NOT clearly say that. The word "generally" would be removed if it was an absolute.
Instead of this:

Costs not generally included in the MSRP are: destination or delivery charges, sales and use taxes, additional maintenance or repair packages purchased from the dealership or showroom, documentation fees, registration fees, or add-ons which relate to the maintenance or operation of the vehicle, such as electric vehicle charging packages, floor mats, first aid kits, cargo nets, etc.

it would read:
Costs not included in the MSRP are: destination or delivery charges, sales and use taxes, additional maintenance or repair packages purchased from the dealership or showroom, documentation fees, registration fees, or add-ons which relate to the maintenance or operation of the vehicle, such as electric vehicle charging packages, floor mats, first aid kits, cargo nets, etc.

Yes, on my nth read, that "generally" does seem problematic.

So ideally Ford would break out the destination charge from the MSRP. Any ideas on how to get big enough Ford eyes on this?

Losing out on the $5k incentive might make me rethink my order.

 

[generaltso]

Here’s my theory on the divider: in the US, you have to have an illuminated emergency release inside luggage compartments in case people get stuck inside. The one in the front trunk is a push button, electric release. Someone realized, at the last minute “what happens if the battery dies?” Well, the koi aren’t going to be able to escape, but neither are any kids stuck in there. Hence the divider. They disabled all the electrical methods of opening it to maintain the fiction that it’s a compartment too small for a person, so it doesn’t need an emergency release. In fact, I’m surprised they didn’t remove the glow in the dark decal.

I don't think there's any fiction here, and I don't think a dead battery is the issue since that would also prevent the frunk from opening in the first place for a kid to climb in.

We're missing some key pieces of the story, but so far, it makes perfect sense. Hopefully, whatever the regulatory issue is with the electronic frunk releases will be resolved, and they'll enable it in a future update. Of course, it will likely be too late to get a frunk button on the fob by then.

 

[timbop]

Yes, on my nth read, that "generally" does seem problematic.

So ideally Ford would break out the destination charge from the MSRP. Any ideas on how to get big enough Ford eyes on this?

Losing out on the $5k incentive might make me rethink my order.

You and a lot of people. It's probably just a clerical error, but bureaucrats tend to be very "stick to the letter of the law" types, although some use common sense. The problem is that you won't know until after you've bought the car and filed the form that it doesn't meet the criteria - unless the state actually lists the ER AWD as eligible.

Not sure what that means, but it is something that needs to get clarified before people get stuck.

 

[Snowbolster]

Next week is going to be so busy. So plenty of news and videos I'm sure of for our thanksgiving week. Very thankful for the ford workers making the Mache. Hell of a job to not fall behind.

Have a statement for you. Elon Said he was shocked at how ford keeps up this year compared to all other auto manufacturers do to covid. They changed some of their supply design to follow Ford's pattern.

Well with how much Tesla is worth, they can just buyout Ford and VW straight up and still have plenty of beer money. I wonder if this could actually happen or there will be anti-trust issues.

 

[SoriceConsulting]

This is the full language from
https://chargeup.njcleanenergy.com/...p_New_Jersey_Phase_1_Terms_and_Conditions.pdf:

"* The MSRP cap of $55,000 refers to the final MSRP of the vehicle, which is set by the manufacturer, and is intended to encompass the value of the vehicle itself, in full. The manufacturer’s MSRP typically includes the costs associated with the trim level of the vehicle with all color options, wheel upgrades, drive train or battery upgrades, and other packages, such as entertainment system upgrades. Costs not generally included in the MSRP are: destination or delivery charges, sales and use taxes, additional maintenance or repair packages purchased from the dealership or showroom, documentation fees, registration fees, or add-ons which relate to the maintenance or operation of the vehicle, such as electric vehicle charging packages, floor mats, first aid kits, cargo nets, etc. The Board reserves the right to seek all available legal remedies if manufacturers adopt separate MSRPs for New Jersey that differ from the MSRP associated with the same car in other states or otherwise attempt to circumvent the statutory language."

I guess the question is whether the program interprets MSRP be the number that has MSRP next to it on the window sticker or the number that fairly represents the value "intended to encompass the value of the vehicle itself, in full." They clearly exclude "destination or delivery charges" and even "floor mats, first aid kits, cargo nets, etc." in how the program defines "MSRP."

Is the definition of MSRP what they clearly spell out? Or that number at the bottom of the window sticker?

Perhaps I'm being overly optimistic, but I would expect them to calculate my MSRP as:

Base $47,000 + AWD & ER: $7,700 = $54,700
while excluding the $1,110 destination and the $240 Protection Package. But Infinite Blue? That's going to cost you $400 AND the $5000 incentive.

My interpretation is that they are spelling this out primarily to avoid situations where a manufacturer cuts the "MSRP" in a state like NJ and jacks up the "Destination Charge" specifically to get more cars under the cap.

ETA: This also ensures folks can't negotiate a discount with the dealer in exchange for agreeing to over-pay for Scotchguard or something to sneak under the limit.

I'm hoping you're right, but very wary.

What concerns me is this - very clear - language (again, italics mine):
Costs not generally included in the MSRP are: destination or delivery charges,

Ford has obviously INCLUDED D/D (Destination/Delivery) in their MSRP.

I think we have a $5,000 crapshoot on our hands. Not sure about others, but I would be bummed if we in NJ lose the $5k based on Ford's weird MSRP calculations, because I'll have to cancel my order if that is the case.

 

[Redundant]

Yes, on my nth read, that "generally" does seem problematic.

So ideally Ford would break out the destination charge from the MSRP. Any ideas on how to get big enough Ford eyes on this?

Losing out on the $5k incentive might make me rethink my order.

Me too. It is already more than I have ever spent, so I am counting on taking $12,500 off with the Fed and NJ State tax deductions. If I loose $5,000 over semantics, I am likely out. I agree that someone at Ford needs to modify the MSRP. Or, maybe we can get a clarification from the state.

 

[carbonizedbrett]

I'm hoping you're right, but very wary.

What concerns me is this - very clear - language (again, italics mine):
Costs not generally included in the MSRP are: destination or delivery charges,

Ford has obviously INCLUDED D/D (Destination/Delivery) in their MSRP.

I think we have a $5,000 crapshoot on our hands. Not sure about others, but I would be bummed if we in NJ lose the $5k based on Ford's weird MSRP calculations, because I'll have to cancel my order if that is the case.

So any thoughts on how to reach the right ears at Ford? Redesigning their sticker can only help their sales and shouldn't affect revenue, right?

ETA:

 

[dbsb3233]

I'm hoping you're right, but very wary.

What concerns me is this - very clear - language (again, italics mine):
Costs not generally included in the MSRP are: destination or delivery charges,

Ford has obviously INCLUDED D/D (Destination/Delivery) in their MSRP.

I think we have a $5,000 crapshoot on our hands. Not sure about others, but I would be bummed if we in NJ lose the $5k based on Ford's weird MSRP calculations, because I'll have to cancel my order if that is the case.

As I was bummed about finding out my First Edition wouldn't be built until Jan 4, thus missing out on $1500 in state tax credits.

But in this case, I think you guys are pretty safe. While I never underestimate the ability of government to screw things up, that's just Ford's standard window sticker format, for any vehicle. They put the grand total in that little blue box at the bottom and call it "Total MSRP". GM's say "MSRP" as a header over the column, and lists a total "Retail Price" at the bottom. Both include delivery charges in the total. Doesn't mean they're different things, it's just the formatting of the window sticker.

As incompetent as government often is, they should be able to figure out that the delivery charge is the delivery charge, no matter how the window sticker happens to be formatted. They surely don't use the window sticker anyway, just the sales paperwork. And those are usually consistent vehicle purchase agreement forms dictated by the state. Go pull out your paperwork for your previous cars and look.

 

[RonTCat]

Well, a lot of info today more this evening maybe.
Two meetings already and one to go.

No problems with the supply of batteries now coming in from LG chem Poland.
The problem again with be meeting the demand 3 to 5 years from now.

EPA did clear over 300 miles on EXT RWD long range. Didn't' say anything about the other models but he was all smiles. EPA announcement will be out before December 1st.

CNET had nothing but rave reviews for the Ford Mache. The build quality and style are more on par for a vehicle in this price segment.

Demos models are almost finished.

There will be some special delivery plans to try to get as many Mache to customers in 2020 as
ford can.

OKTB is next week and Europe OKTB will be in December.

If all goes good by November 28th they will already be loaded and start heading to the dealers.

Will get to see the Mache myself this Monday. As many different reviews will be testing.

Supply is an issue with covid. As we have talked many times. But ford feels very good right now with the mache. Suppliers are working tremendous hours to keep up with the pace.

Why would you post something that has Secret on it?

 

[SoriceConsulting]

No they do NOT clearly say that. The word "generally" would be removed if it was an absolute.
Instead of this:

Costs not generally included in the MSRP are: destination or delivery charges, sales and use taxes, additional maintenance or repair packages purchased from the dealership or showroom, documentation fees, registration fees, or add-ons which relate to the maintenance or operation of the vehicle, such as electric vehicle charging packages, floor mats, first aid kits, cargo nets, etc.

it would read:
Costs not included in the MSRP are: destination or delivery charges, sales and use taxes, additional maintenance or repair packages purchased from the dealership or showroom, documentation fees, registration fees, or add-ons which relate to the maintenance or operation of the vehicle, such as electric vehicle charging packages, floor mats, first aid kits, cargo nets, etc.

timbop, I agree 100%. I think we in NJ might be in for a $5,000 'surprise' - in a negative way.

Was so looking forward to my MachE, but if I lose $5k due to a Ford clerical error, I'll have to pass and see how the EV landscape changes in 2021-2022.

 

[kdryden99]

For those worried about the incentive, i believe that it will be up to the dealers to fix it. They are wise enough to fix it on the bill.