Update on Mach-E launch progress from engineering friends in Mexico

[InComrad]

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Ford seems to really like the Netherlands, this is the third time this year they are coming to us . (And fourth including the commercial-shoot.)

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[dbsb3233]

100% agree. When I reserved this I wasn't worried about charging. I had already researched home charging as well as fast charging to get to places I commonly go.

However, learning about charging curves and how big of an impact speed and temperature have on range was pretty eye opening.

And it's the two that compound each other. A 30-45 minute refuel every 300 miles wouldn't be too big of a deal because practical roadtrip distance limit in one day would mean no more than 2 refuel stops (3 300 mile legs).

And 4-6 refuel stops wouldn't be a big deal if they were just 5 minutes each.

But 4-6 30-45 minutes stops is a big deal.

 

[KAustin]

100% agree. When I reserved this I wasn't worried about charging. I had already researched home charging as well as fast charging to get to places I commonly go.

However, learning about charging curves and how big of an impact speed and temperature have on range was pretty eye opening.

Ok long drawn out talking.
(The good) Cuautitlan Stamping and Assembly Plant in Mexico. has been back to 100% efficiency since the 2nd week of August. The 10 weeks lost to covid-19 have been made back up at the plant and not behind.
(The bad) Not all suppliers have been able to catch back up. So the lost time has been narrowed down to about 12 different suppliers not being able to make up the 10 weeks lost.

Quality is at 93.4% rate at the end of the line. An increase of 5.7% from last month. The target rate has still not been met, which is 98.5%.

Suppliers will be the final determination this year on vehicle output. Suppliers are having a hard time with workers coming back to work due to covid-19. Some auto manufacturing companies are cutting production by 40% for the rest of this year and the start of next year.

Demand for the premium Mache is triple what was forecasted compared to the select. Some suppliers have had to open other buildings and hire double the workforce to meet the already demanding demand. Euro demand for EV markets is exploding at a rapid pace.

Dealers are to be held more accountable. Specialist within each dealership for the EV market. If levels are not meet that ford dealer could lose its right to sell EV models. The same goes for the repair side of the EV market.

Ford is working now on a way to extend the life of the EV market. The goal is to cut the cost of install of a new battery at the end of a life cycle of an old one by half.

Some more talk about gm, and Nikola, and honda. Talk why there is no need for a battery plant again, the EV tech and battery tech is moving at a breakneck pace right now.

Each week Mache info will be coming out to the public as quickly as they can finalize it. I asked about seeing the manual for the mache, and the response was eta date middle of November.

Depending on supply and not having no issues product output for this year between 7,000 to 10,000 units made. How many that will make it to the dealer still depending on transit and logistics.

Thanks for the information. Did they indicate if there are any constants that make up the difference between the 93.4% in quality and the target of 98.5%, i.e. things that are consistently an issue on the builds?

 

[Thevanin]

Dealers are to be held more accountable. Specialist within each dealership for the EV market. If levels are not meet that ford dealer could lose its right to sell EV models. The same goes for the repair side of the EV market.

I hope they follow through with that. I met with the GM of my dealership to confirm my order and that went pretty well, even if they didn't have a lot of information that had already been shared on this forum. It's been crickets ever since. He gave me his direct contact info and hasn't replied to anything.

 

[dbsb3233]

I hope they follow through with that. I met with the GM of my dealership to confirm my order and that went pretty well, even if they didn't have a lot of information that had already been shared on this forum. It's been crickets ever since. He gave me his direct contact info and hasn't replied to anything.

I've grown less concerned about dealerships not knowing much about the car itself, and far more concerned about them understanding the order process.

Both would be great, of course, but the part we're dependent on them for is the order/payment/delivery. The rest we can figure out on our own. And by the time they actually get MMEs on their lots to sell from inventory (could be 2022 at this rate), they'll probably know a lot more.

 

[ncmagus]

Hmm, if the premium is that popular compared to select, maybe i will be able to have my select way faster than expected ! ?

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Ok long drawn out talking.
(The good) Cuautitlan Stamping and Assembly Plant in Mexico. has been back to 100% efficiency since the 2nd week of August. The 10 weeks lost to covid-19 have been made back up at the plant and not behind.
(The bad) Not all suppliers have been able to catch back up. So the lost time has been narrowed down to about 12 different suppliers not being able to make up the 10 weeks lost.

Quality is at 93.4% rate at the end of the line. An increase of 5.7% from last month. The target rate has still not been met, which is 98.5%.

Suppliers will be the final determination this year on vehicle output. Suppliers are having a hard time with workers coming back to work due to covid-19. Some auto manufacturing companies are cutting production by 40% for the rest of this year and the start of next year.

Demand for the premium Mache is triple what was forecasted compared to the select. Some suppliers have had to open other buildings and hire double the workforce to meet the already demanding demand. Euro demand for EV markets is exploding at a rapid pace.

Dealers are to be held more accountable. Specialist within each dealership for the EV market. If levels are not meet that ford dealer could lose its right to sell EV models. The same goes for the repair side of the EV market.

Ford is working now on a way to extend the life of the EV market. The goal is to cut the cost of install of a new battery at the end of a life cycle of an old one by half.

Some more talk about gm, and Nikola, and honda. Talk why there is no need for a battery plant again, the EV tech and battery tech is moving at a breakneck pace right now.

Each week Mache info will be coming out to the public as quickly as they can finalize it. I asked about seeing the manual for the mache, and the response was eta date middle of November.

Depending on supply and not having no issues product output for this year between 7,000 to 10,000 units made. How many that will make it to the dealer still depending on transit and logistics.

Almost forgot they announced that by 2022 The charging network with 12,000 stations “FordPass Charging Network will be around 25,000.

The goal within the EV market is to make a vehicle that is cost-effective and can have a true range of up to 400 miles. The tech is there to be able to do it, but not the cost yet.

Parts shortages seem to be the constraining factor in production. Is there any indication if the situation will resolve itself to allow timely delivery of all vehicles currently ordered or will this stretch into a very long production year?

 

[portlandg]

Hmm, if the premium is that popular compared to select, maybe i will be able to have my select way faster than expected ! ?

Or maybe it will be later. I seem to recall the select wasnt originally due until 2021 anyway. If there aren't that may I would have thought they would make premiums first

 

[ncmagus]

Or maybe it will be later. I seem to recall the select wasnt originally due until 2021 anyway. If there aren't that may I would have thought they would make premiums first

Ohh, i'm realistic, i'm not expecting it in 2020! ... i'm hoping for somewhere in july-august, but i'm afraid it could be in 2022 ?

 

[ClaudeMach-E]

And it's the two that compound each other. A 30-45 minute refuel every 300 miles wouldn't be too big of a deal because practical roadtrip distance limit in one day would mean no more than 2 refuel stops (3 300 mile legs).

And 4-6 refuel stops wouldn't be a big deal if they were just 5 minutes each.

But 4-6 30-45 minutes stops is a big deal.

That is a lot of travelling in one day. My wife's and I have a +/- 500 mi/800km per day limit, so it is different for everyone, but 900mi/1400+km , this would be much too long a day for us, that is over 14 hours of driving in a day, no thanks.

 

[dbsb3233]

That is a lot of travelling in one day. My wife's and I have a +/- 500 mi/800km per day limit, so it is different for everyone, but 900mi/1400+km , this would be much too long a day for us, that is over 14 hours of driving in a day, no thanks.

For sure, everyone has different limits. Ours tends to be ~12 hours max in a day (daylight), ~11 hours of actual driving (700-800 miles). For many people I know that's too much though. I suspect that's near the upper range, although not terribly uncommon either. And in rare cases people will push past that to 16 hours or more (true Cannonballing).

 

[hiimisaac]

And it's the two that compound each other. A 30-45 minute refuel every 300 miles wouldn't be too big of a deal because practical roadtrip distance limit in one day would mean no more than 2 refuel stops (3 300 mile legs).

And 4-6 refuel stops wouldn't be a big deal if they were just 5 minutes each.

But 4-6 30-45 minutes stops is a big deal.

Just joined here, happy to start reading up some on info about the Mach E. My only concern at this moment is the charging network. Coming from the "North American EV Manufacturer" (which I will never buy from again), the only benefit they have is their charging network. As long as EA can get their cabinets to go at least up to 125kw, that's going to suffice. I've roadtripped quite a bit in our EV and I'm never at a station for more than 5-15 mins because of the charging curve. The charging profile on all Model 3s from what I can gather is to have max charge rate around 11% and start to taper when around 45-55%, depending on the levels of heat and cabinet availability.

Hopefully, EA and Ford can emulate this same profile. It's just enough to run in, go use the restroom, grab a water or a snack, head back to the car and keep moving.

 

[AndyS_OSU]

Depending on supply and not having no issues product output for this year between 7,000 to 10,000 units made. How many that will make it to the dealer still depending on transit and logistics.

Is that 7000-10000 customer units or total? My original order number falls within that range if we are talking total units.

 

[JamieGeek]

For sure, everyone has different limits. Ours tends to be ~12 hours max in a day (daylight), ~11 hours of actual driving. For many people I know that's too much though. I suspect that's near the upper range, although not terribly uncommon either. And in rare cases people will push past that to 16 hours or more (true Cannonballing).

In my youth (yeah right!) I did Detroit -> Orlando in one shot by myself (about 20 hours) . Don't do that anymore.

More recently I did Detroit -> Nashville driving the RV pulling a car by myself (8 hours, 500 miles)

We also did Jersey City -> Detroit (9 hours, 600 miles) last summer but that was all of us (only I drove, however LOL) also with the RV pulling the Bolt.

So I'm not against a marathon driving session or two. (The RV will go 400 miles a tank easily so it really becomes a marathon--usually ending up stopping for human breaks more than fuel.)

Obviously can't do that in an EV in the same amount of time and some wouldn't be comfortable with that.

 

[RyZt]

Coming from the "North American EV Manufacturer" (which I will never buy from again), the only benefit they have is their charging network. As long as EA can get their cabinets to go at least up to 125kw, that's going to suffice. I've roadtripped quite a bit in our EV and I'm never at a station for more than 5-15 mins because of the charging curve. The charging profile on all Model 3s from what I can gather is to have max charge rate around 11% and start to taper when around 45-55%, depending on the levels of heat and cabinet availability.

At the moment, Tesla SuperCharger has a clear advantage in a lot of places. More locations, more stalls in each location, better reliability, easier UI (plug-and-charge). All this means using a non-Tesla will require more planning.

It's a tradeoff I have chosen to take. And it looks like you did too.

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