Update on Mach-E launch progress from engineering friends in Mexico

[ChasingCoral]

My only annoyance is the timing in my personal situation. As an educator I can completely appreciate the craziness that COVID has caused and don’t fault Ford for any delay.

I’m just disappointed that it most likely won’t work out for me. Just the cherry on top of the year...
Home construction? COVID delayed so we have to move into a short term lease the day after Christmas and then move again in a few months.
Last BEV lease up in November? Get a loaner and wait it out only to have the MME pushed back even further until probably February for delivery now (thanks @trutolife27 LOL).
At least have a peaceful holiday season? Mom diagnosed with cancer in her brain on Christmas Eve.

Was hoping something could go right this year but that’s a lot to ask under the circumstances.

Wow. Really sorry about all you are going through, especially your mom’s health. Take care and focus on family. We’re all pulling for you.

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[bshaw]

Absolutely! To me, treading lightly on the earth and fighting to combat climate change are my big drivers here. I’ll take a little inconvenience on road trips to reduce my carbon footprint when traveling. Around town and short trips a BEV is better than ICE.

Best of all I’ll be getting performance and looks to boot. It also shows others that driving electric is better and cool! ? The Mach E will turn heads and get people to listen in ways that my Leaf won’t.

Speaking of environmental impacts / efficiency.... Can anyone answer this question?

I'll be keeping my Mach-E outside all the time. And maybe drive only 2-3 times per week because commute doesn't seem like its coming back anytime soon.
But, if I keep it plugged in during the coldest part of winter (< 32 deg F), won't the battery management system be constantly working to warm the battery into the 30-40 deg range? Or no, it doesn't work like that and will only warm the battery to get ready for a drive or necessary charging?

Still probably come out ahead overall vs. ICE, but it does erode the environmental advantages because my current ICE car can sit for any amount of time without using resources.

 

[jlauro]

Speaking of environmental impacts / efficiency.... Can anyone answer this question?

I'll be keeping my Mach-E outside all the time. And maybe drive only 2-3 times per week because commute doesn't seem like its coming back anytime soon.
But, if I keep it plugged in during the coldest part of winter (< 32 deg F), won't the battery management system be constantly working to warm the battery into the 30-40 deg range? Or no, it doesn't work like that and will only warm the battery to get ready for a drive or necessary charging?

Still probably come out ahead overall vs. ICE, but it does erode the environmental advantages because my current ICE car can sit for any amount of time without using resources.

I seen that the Mach E can charge at -10 or lower, so 32 is not bad, especially for L2 (high speed DCFC is a bit more sensitive). If you leave it plugged in, I would hope it would only top off to 80% at most once a day. It will probably waste more energy idling most of the week compared to an ICE car, but shouldn't take much energy to idle. Would be good to know if anyone has actual numbers to idle for a full year.

 

[woody]

Speaking of environmental impacts / efficiency.... Can anyone answer this question?

I'll be keeping my Mach-E outside all the time. And maybe drive only 2-3 times per week because commute doesn't seem like its coming back anytime soon.
But, if I keep it plugged in during the coldest part of winter (< 32 deg F), won't the battery management system be constantly working to warm the battery into the 30-40 deg range? Or no, it doesn't work like that and will only warm the battery to get ready for a drive or necessary charging?

Still probably come out ahead overall vs. ICE, but it does erode the environmental advantages because my current ICE car can sit for any amount of time without using resources.

Battery conditioning uses minimal amounts of energy compared to charging. But I keep my EVs plugged in in colder weather( I have my EVs in a garage, so not critical). My theory is not to use the EV battery for this.
The conditioning is not continual. It is periodic as needed. And you have to listen hard and close ( unless you are a 5 year old male with that excellent hearing [those were the days!]) to even hear it.
Unfortunately not everyone has a garage, but if you do have one, you should consider making a place for your MME in it during the cold and hot of it.
Range (currently) will always be affect by temperature. Cold weather affects range (negatively) more. Electrons prefer to be comfortable. Recall your science lessons about temperature and molecule movement. Warmer, not hot, weather will see longer ranges. My Bolt has ranges of 270+ in summer and around 238 in winter.
Where oh where did all the super conductivity scientists go?

 

[eastern refugee]

Realistically the industry will only shrink some, not be ended. Gasoline is only one major byproduct of fossil fuels. We still need nearly all of the others (plastics, asphalt, jet fuel, chemicals, etc).

it would be a start. Once something like this starts then you have no idea where things can go. In short if green became important enough to change thinking a NEW wheel would be invented.

 

[ARK]

Green does not move enough. Sad it is. If that was the gas people that feel like they will only drive a BEV never ice again would never fly again also. Caring for the environment is way down the list of people, sad but true.

Somewhat related, I’m a bit surprised coal states like West Virginia haven’t taken to electric vehicles. You can’t run an ICE on coal but you can run a BEV on coal generated electricity. Not green, but would help give a lifeline to an industry important to some states.

Some not-so-well-off places in the world have done this with natural gas where a huge proportion of vehicles have been jerry-rigged to run on CNG because it is quite a bit cheaper than gasoline.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Somewhat related, I’m a bit surprised coal states like West Virginia haven’t taken to electric vehicles. You can’t run an ICE on coal but you can run a BEV on coal generated electricity. Not green, but would help give a lifeline to an industry important to some states.

Some not-so-well-off places in the world have done this with natural gas where a huge proportion of vehicles have been jerry-rigged to run on CNG because it is quite a bit cheaper than gasoline.

Unfortunately there were still NO DCFC chargers in WV last time I checked.

 

[ARK]

Speaking of environmental impacts / efficiency.... Can anyone answer this question?

I'll be keeping my Mach-E outside all the time. And maybe drive only 2-3 times per week because commute doesn't seem like its coming back anytime soon.
But, if I keep it plugged in during the coldest part of winter (< 32 deg F), won't the battery management system be constantly working to warm the battery into the 30-40 deg range? Or no, it doesn't work like that and will only warm the battery to get ready for a drive or necessary charging?

Still probably come out ahead overall vs. ICE, but it does erode the environmental advantages because my current ICE car can sit for any amount of time without using resources.

I’m interested in this too. There seems to be a certain amount of idle energy that is used by BEVs for conditioning to deal with extreme heat or cold that probably depends a lot on where you live.

But I have been unable to find any measurements of this, e.g. is it the equivalent of 100 miles of range spread out over a year, 1,000 miles of range, some other figure that is lost to conditioning?

I got a smart plug recently that can measure electricity flow so hoping to test it out at some point to see how much energy is lost to conditioning in LA.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Speaking of environmental impacts / efficiency.... Can anyone answer this question?

I'll be keeping my Mach-E outside all the time. And maybe drive only 2-3 times per week because commute doesn't seem like its coming back anytime soon.
But, if I keep it plugged in during the coldest part of winter (< 32 deg F), won't the battery management system be constantly working to warm the battery into the 30-40 deg range? Or no, it doesn't work like that and will only warm the battery to get ready for a drive or necessary charging?

Still probably come out ahead overall vs. ICE, but it does erode the environmental advantages because my current ICE car can sit for any amount of time without using resources.

The BMS should only condition the battery when it comes time to charge. We have our charger timed to finish at 08:00 each morning but have turned off the climate control since we aren't commuting. The BMS should only operate when the charging occurs.

 

[trutolife27]

I’m interested in this too. There seems to be a certain amount of idle energy that is used by BEVs for conditioning to deal with extreme heat or cold that probably depends a lot on where you live.

But I have been unable to find any measurements of this, e.g. is it the equivalent of 100 miles of range spread out over a year, 1,000 miles of range, some other figure that is lost to conditioning?

I got a smart plug recently that can measure electricity flow so hoping to test it out at some point to see how much energy is lost to conditioning in LA.

The point is the longer an EV car sits and not charged the longer without charging back up to 100% say once a month range can be lost. Old school battery tech still in effect in today world.

 

[BlueMach]

Unfortunately there were still NO DCFC chargers in WV last time I checked.

7 Tesla Supercharger sites in West Virginia (Triadelphia (2014), Parkersburg (2019), Charleston (2017), Mt. Hope (2018), Weston (2017), Morgantown (2017), and Huntington(2018)) that pretty well cover the state.

On the CCS side, there's 1 Harley-Davidson dealer near Morganstown that has a single 25 kW ChargePoint CCS unit.

 

[ChasingCoral]

7 Tesla Supercharger sites in West Virginia (Triadelphia (2014), Parkersburg (2019), Charleston (2017), Mt. Hope (2018), Weston (2017), Morgantown (2017), and Huntington(2018)) that pretty well cover the state.

On the CCS side, there's 1 Harley-Davidson dealer near Morganstown that has a single 25 kW ChargePoint CCS unit.

I stand corrected. That's 1, not zero. Superchargers don't count unless they open them up to us.

 

[BlueMach]

I stand corrected. That's 1, not zero. Superchargers don't count unless they open them up to us.

Oh we can't use them, agreed, but they *are* DCFC, so I thought I'd point them out, that's all.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Oh we can't use them, but they *are* DCFC, so I thought I'd point them out, that's all.

Fine. Next time I'll make sure to specify CCS. I had assumed that since we are all talking about charging out Mach Es that I didn't have to specify that I was excluding chargers we can't use.

 

[trutolife27]

Fine. Next time I'll make sure to specify CCS. I had assumed that since we are all talking about charging out Mach Es that I didn't have to specify that I was excluding chargers we can't use.

i got what you ment. this a mache forum not tesla. Most people do also.

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