Who is ordering a 2023 Mach E ?

[Reign of Ravens]

You're making my head hurt ? I might go look at the EV6 this weekend. There's one at a dealership near me. It just doesn't have the attitude the mach-e has and, as someone who has owned Hondas for the last 30 years (minus one Volvo) I LOVED the attitude of the Mach-e.

I don't think you're wrong to place the order, as long as they'll refund my deposit (they said yes but I want it in writing) and see how the tax issue works out. I was prepared for the price increase because it would make sense to Ford for them to pocket the 6-8K a car knowing that most people would get a tax rebate which would make it pretty much a wash. But without the rebate it's just too much of a jump.

Thanks for the reviews. I'm new to the EV market, as you can probably tell.

If you don't need the car right now, there are some other appealing electric vehicles coming into the market over the next year or two.

If you want a SUV, the Chevrolet Blazer EV is reportedly going to come out late 2023. It looks like a nice alternative to the Mach-E.

If you want a large, three-row SUV, Kia's EV9 is due some time next year (some reports say early 2023, but we'll see). This is an electric version of the Telluride, but built from the ground up to be an electric vehicle.

If you want something more like a minivan, the VW ID.Buzz will supposedly be released in America some time next year.

It's unclear how much of the new EV rebate these vehicles will be eligible for, as battery production locations are harder to determine. Kia is reportedly moving up their plans by a year for an EV production factory in the USA, possibly to try and capture more of that rebate.

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[smcnair]

Waiting on a call from my sales rep to order. Not even sure what I am ordering yet. I think a premium AWD...no idea on color.

 

[West1134]

At this point, I think I'll order a 2023 so I have options 8-12 months down the road.

I was able to snag a customer order that was released, a 22 MME Premium AWD ER Battery with $10k ADM about a month ago that should be delivered within the next month. I'm stoked for that car, and with the latest price bump announced I technically will still come out ahead vs a '23 with the help of the tax credit.

Way I look at it, I'll drive the 22 Premium, and order a 23 GT, then in a year (ish) I will see where the cards fall. Most likely I'll walk away from the GT but if the market continues down this crazy path and I can get top dollar on the Premium on trade, I might be able to get into the GT, we'll see. Point is, I'll have options vs now where I'm at the mercy of the ADM world and no stock.

I also put a deposit down for the new Blazer EV, so will see what that looks like as well.

 

[voxel]

I have a place holder order, and my dealer still thinks this afternoon... might reserve not sure anymore. Price increase is too much for what you're getting. I already had an order for a ID.4 which was moved to a 2023. They only reason I wasn't going to take that is my wife ended up getting a 2022 ID.4 and we didn't want to own to of the same. It's a great car I like the Mach-E a bit more. Top model 2023 ID.4 XR AWD is $10,440 less than the similar Mach-E Premium XR AWD, assuming the Mach-E gets the tax credit, without it for sure a no go for sure. I prefer the Mach-E but I don't think it's $10k better, and for sure isn't $18k better.

I declined my 2022 ID.4 Pro S Gradient AWD last month after a test drive (waited 10 month - had owned a 2021 ID.4 Pro RWD previously). At $52K it wasn't a good deal because it was still budgety, had ear bleeding audio, no 360 camera, and mediocre ACC when I had paid $56.5K for my MME AWD ER. I thought the 3.x software update would fix many things.. but Auto-hold works like an ICE-car (you have to brake for 2 seconds then it triggers). The suspension is still fantastic in that car and I had the salesperson measure dB levels while I drove (mid/high 60s) on the highway which is quieter than the Mach-E. Honestly... the Mach-E is really loud compared to most EVs. The insulation from road noise is poor.

With the massive Mach-E price increases, the top trim of the ID.4 is a much better value.

The $55K 2023 Pro S Plus trim fixes two of the problems above (poor audio + lack of 360 cam) and I threw in an order. I'm hoping they add backlight to controls, add physical controls, remove the butt-in-seat sensor, upgrade software, etc.

 

[daverp]

I declined my 2022 ID.4 Pro S Gradient AWD last month after a test drive (waited 10 month - had owned a 2021 ID.4 Pro RWD previously). At $52K it wasn't a good deal because it was still budgety, had ear bleeding audio, no 360 camera, and mediocre ACC when I had paid $56.5K for my MME AWD ER. I thought the 3.x software update would fix many things.. but Auto-hold works like an ICE-car (you have to brake for 2 seconds then it triggers). The suspension is still fantastic in that car and I had the salesperson measure dB levels while I drove (mid/high 60s) on the highway which is quieter than the Mach-E. Honestly... the Mach-E is really loud compared to most EVs. The insulation from road noise is poor.

With the massive Mach-E price increases, the top trim of the ID.4 is a much better value.

The $55K 2023 Pro S Plus trim fixes two of the problems above (poor audio + lack of 360 cam) and I threw in an order. I'm hoping they add backlight to controls, add physical controls, remove the butt-in-seat sensor, upgrade software, etc.

My wife's 22 came with the long awaited 3.1 software. Not perfect by any means but we have not experienced most of the complaints be have. Auto-Hold will engage after 2 second or if you press fully down on the break once stopping. Don't know if that's a 3.1 software change or not, don't recall from our test drive. The 23 model seems to add all the features I felt should have been in the car in the first place. I also don't like that VW launched it promoting both a range increase and a charge speed increase but don't say what that is yet. No idea when or cost it will also support 11.2kw Vehicle to Load bidirectial EVSE similar to the F150 Lightning.

My dealer was at a event in Chattanooga and I tried get an answer if the buttons were backlit now and he didn't see the car at night. In the press photos they are clearly brightened but if that's lighting or photoshop who knows. I will say however I hated that at first, but it took me less than two weeks to not even care, and it's my wifes car and I don't drive it much. The button targets are large and easy to hit, once you memorize where the buttons are not being lit doesn't matter much. You can also see in some of the press photo the climate controls clearly shows cooled seats but they don't mention that feature either. He did say the sound system was great, but I wouldn't expect a sales person to say anything but that.

 

[voxel]

My wife's 22 came with the long awaited 3.1 software. Not perfect by any means but we have not experienced most of the complaints be have. Auto-Hold will engage after 2 second or if you press fully down on the break once stopping. Don't know if that's a 3.1 software change or not, don't recall from our test drive. The 23 model seems to add all the features I felt should have been in the car in the first place. I also don't like that VW launched it promoting both a range increase and a charge speed increase but don't say what that is yet. No idea when or cost it will also support 11.2kw Vehicle to Load bidirectial EVSE similar to the F150 Lightning.

My dealer was at a event in Chattanooga and I tried get an answer if the buttons were backlit now and he didn't see the car at night. In the press photos they are clearly brightened but if that's lighting or photoshop who knows. I will say however I hated that at first, but it took me less than two weeks to not even care, and it's my wifes car and I don't drive it much. The button targets are large and easy to hit, once you memorize where the buttons are not being lit doesn't matter much. You can also see in some of the press photo the climate controls clearly shows cooled seats but they don't mention that feature either. He did say the sound system was great, but I wouldn't expect a sales person to say anything but that.

My sales guy thought the 2022 ID.4 audio system was good in the test drive lol. We have different standards

My 2021 ID.4 would roll backwards on inclines and so I wanted Auto-Hold badly but the 2022 implementation is not what I wanted. The whole car is basically an ICE SUV with an EV drivetrain and haptic input instead of physical controls. The only non-ICE thing it has is the butt-sensor for start.

With the tax credit, the Ioniq 5 and EV6 are vastly better EVs than the ID.4 but without the tax credit the ID.4 is highly competitive. I'm a big fan of the Hyundai/Kia driver assistance and safety features though compared to the ID.4 LKA system that tried to kill me every day.

 

[daverp]

My sales guy thought the 2022 ID.4 audio system was good in the test drive lol. We have different standards

My 2021 ID.4 would roll backwards on inclines and so I wanted Auto-Hold badly but the 2022 implementation is not what I wanted. The whole car is basically an ICE SUV with an EV drivetrain and haptic input instead of physical controls. The only non-ICE thing it has is the butt-sensor for start.

With the tax credit, the Ioniq 5 and EV6 are vastly better EVs than the ID.4 but without the tax credit the ID.4 is highly competitive. I'm a big fan of the Hyundai/Kia driver assistance and safety features though compared to the ID.4 LKA system that tried to kill me every day.

I guess the audio is a matter of perspective. It's good for a standard audio system, it as good if not better that the "premium" sound system in my 2017 Honda Ridgeline but it's garbage compared to the premium sound system in a MME, Jag I-Pace, or Audi E-Tron. To be fair the MME Premium has an awesome sound system.


I didn't have an issue with the auto-hold once I learned how it work. If you want it immediately when you come to a full stop you just press the break down a bit further and it engages without delay. I like it better than the instant on like Tesla has in heavy stop and go traffic.

 

[bbhaag]

Well I tried to place an order today for a MME GTPE and my dealer couldn't get it done. They kept running into errors when trying to submit the order to Ford.

Did anyone else who tried to place an order today run into the same issue?

 

[xaudiblex]

I declined my 2022 ID.4 Pro S Gradient AWD last month after a test drive (waited 10 month - had owned a 2021 ID.4 Pro RWD previously). At $52K it wasn't a good deal because it was still budgety, had ear bleeding audio, no 360 camera, and mediocre ACC when I had paid $56.5K for my MME AWD ER. I thought the 3.x software update would fix many things.. but Auto-hold works like an ICE-car (you have to brake for 2 seconds then it triggers). The suspension is still fantastic in that car and I had the salesperson measure dB levels while I drove (mid/high 60s) on the highway which is quieter than the Mach-E. Honestly... the Mach-E is really loud compared to most EVs. The insulation from road noise is poor.

With the massive Mach-E price increases, the top trim of the ID.4 is a much better value.

The $55K 2023 Pro S Plus trim fixes two of the problems above (poor audio + lack of 360 cam) and I threw in an order. I'm hoping they add backlight to controls, add physical controls, remove the butt-in-seat sensor, upgrade software, etc.

I have a 2023 Pro S Plus on order as well. It's a contingency plan on case the Mach e doesn't make it in time.

 

[Mach Tuch]

I’m heading in Monday to place an order. Pricing, tax rules, and no Xplan might make it a no go for me, but I’m still going to order a Vapor Blue GT or a P4X Nite Pony. I haven’t decided which model yet.

 

[Mach1E]

I’m heading in Monday to place an order. Pricing, tax rules, and no Xplan might make it a no go for me, but I’m still going to order a Vapor Blue GT or a P4X Nite Pony. I haven’t decided which model yet.

Try negotiating a discount. Start at $1500 under MSRP. All they can say is yes or no. Then try another dealer.

MSRP has always been a made up number. Not sure how they’ve convinced everyone in the last 2 years that it’s all of a sudden the “fixed no haggle selling price.”

 

[MMENJ]

At this point, I think I'll order a 2023 so I have options 8-12 months down the road.

I was able to snag a customer order that was released, a 22 MME Premium AWD ER Battery with $10k ADM about a month ago that should be delivered within the next month. I'm stoked for that car, and with the latest price bump announced I technically will still come out ahead vs a '23 with the help of the tax credit.

Way I look at it, I'll drive the 22 Premium, and order a 23 GT, then in a year (ish) I will see where the cards fall. Most likely I'll walk away from the GT but if the market continues down this crazy path and I can get top dollar on the Premium on trade, I might be able to get into the GT, we'll see. Point is, I'll have options vs now where I'm at the mercy of the ADM world and no stock.

I also put a deposit down for the new Blazer EV, so will see what that looks like as well.

Yea, I’d be “stoked” to pay 10k over MSRP, for reals? Thanks to you for the 23 price increases.

 

[Guss-E 2021]

Massively sick, I'd say! I'm days to weeks away from getting my 2022 and I am looking forward to two things:
1) The car;
2) Not having to talk to the sales department of a Ford dealership ever again.

Maybe you got lucky with your dealer, in which case make sure to send them some cookies for Christmas or something because you've struck gold. The wait wasn't terrible, given the camaraderie of this forum, but the dealership was beyond aggravating.

Would I order a car with a 10+ month lead time in the future? Sure. There are exactly three Ford dealerships on this island, and while I went with the one that had the best reviews and the best local opinion, it gets an unsatisfactory rating from me. Ford is supposedly looking into a direct sales model, and unless they either get that model into play or create more EVs that are worlds better than anything else out there, this is going to be my last Ford. And looking at what's coming up in the future, if I were ordering a year or two from now, I'm not sure that the Mach-E would represent the most appealing vehicle, either.

You are not wrong. The competition is definitely heating up. Which is of course good for the consumer. I very much like the Mach-E. No car is perfect but the Mach-E is definitely on the "very good" side of available cars (BEV or otherwise). Still, price agnostic, the Rivians, Ioniq 5, EV6, Cadillac Lyrique and forthcoming EV Blazer are all very intriguing to name a few.

I believe there are around 80 BEV models available globally. That number will exceed 200 by 2024/25. Another Mach-E is not a certainty for me in the next 5-7 years. Not unless Ford pulls out some serious voodoo.

 

[West1134]

Yea, I’d be “stoked” to pay 10k over MSRP, for reals? Thanks to you for the 23 price increases.

I was stoked to be able to find a MME period. Between the closing of orders, demand, supply chain issues etc it’s not like you can just walk onto a lot and buy this car. I obviously am not thrilled about paying $10k ADM but that is the market we are in and if I didn’t pay it someone else would.

I hope things go back to whatever normal was, but let’s be real. I’m not remotely the reason the prices went up in 2023.

 

[Guss-E 2021]

I feel like, today, auto prices are "artificially" high. Firs the Pandemic which then moved into supply chain issues topped off with Russia's invasion of the Ukraine (issues with getting battery materials from these regions). Perhaps industry has learned its lesson about supply chain management and control. All the proclaimed investments in domestic supply and manufacturing would indicate as much but we'll see.

I am fortunate enough to already have my 2022 Mach-E in the garage. But I think it is a tough time to be a buyer. I fully support BEV adoption. It is not a perfect propulsion technology but it is better than ICE (imo) for all but the longest drives (and even for those it is a viable option). So I get the desire to buy one now. However, I can't help but feel anyone getting a 2023 is at a disadvantage because there is every possibility that future models will not only be less expensive as domestic production continues to come online but will also benefit from improved charging and battery technology.

I think the real winners will be the early adopters. Owners who have already spent capital on home charging and are familiar with and accustomed to life with a BEV. By the time early adopters are thinking about trading in their existing BEVs for a new model, much of the improvements I mentioned above will be in play.

Even if I'm correct, I still have a hard time telling people NOT to buy a BEV today. The situation regarding increased pricing definitely sucks though.

I did read an article recently that focused on the fact that even with a high upfront cost, spread out over the life of the vehicle, ownership costs are not as prohibitive as we think. Of course that largely depends on, loan rates and financing options, tax credit qualifications, cost of electricity (do you have access to solar or free charging?) and brake and tire wear (maintenance).

My rant was not intended to dissuade people from placing a 2023 order by the way. Just waxing poetic because this is the Internet

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