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Guys, I hate to say this, but in five years this car is going to be old hat because of battery technology. Or did we forget about that in stressing over the OS? Doesn’t mean it won’t be drivable or just as much fun as it was the day you got it. If in 5 years you like that new tech better, trade it in. If you keep your cars 10 years or more no one says this car won’t drive - you just won’t have the latest toys.
When people ask me if they should buy a Mac or an iPhone now or wait for the new one, I always tell them there is always a new one over the next horizon - do what makes you happy now or you will be forever waiting.
Me, I’m hoping my first edition becomes a Classic As Ford’s first serious BEV. ‘65 Mustangs are still around and people love and collect them even though they don’t have the latest tech.
I fully agree. If I see the available technology of the actual cars compared with my 6 years OLD car :eek: Everyone should accept that technology is changing fast and Ford has to follow this trend. A car that is ordered today is old stuff for the developers of the V2023
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Well here is one important question, if Ford spent all this money on the current interface/module or as tesla call is MCU(media conttol unit), I wonder if it can be changed easily with the new one, kind of like what Tesla is doing with there problem MCU. If a new MCU would cost 1000$ I think I would pay for it, if the rest of the car is still good.
Lol why do I feel like this car is alreddy old and i dont even own it yet? I usually dont suffer from the Osborne affect, I mean i still use a Core 2 Quad and a Galaxy S7 so why am I feeling this way about this car?
well, we don't know much about the Sync 4a APIM (that's what Ford calls it - the Accessory Protocol Interface Module - and I'm assuming that term has carried over to Sync 4a based on things seen in other posts), but in the past, people have swapped APIMs and screens (ACMs - Audio Control Modules) - successfully, from MyFord Touch to Sync 3. So, anything is possible.

But will Ford offer it? I wouldn't hold my breath.

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I agree previous Sync work hasn't been good, but it's because Ford senior management at the time needed to call their grandkids to set their VCR and figure out how their smartphone worked. That has changed in a big way in the last few years. The current team pretty much "gets it" now.
For a big company, a software platform that only existed for 2.5yrs of production is never going to be compelling to support. It’s a black sheep, an orphaned platform. No way it gets the same support as the long-term platform.

I agree with the other posters, the car has been hyped for a year with Sync4 and OTA and how this is a long-term vehicle and the next-gen future digital platform. Then days before the main chunk of deliveries take place they pull the rug out from under those of us who ordered saying we’ve got 2yrs tops before we become an oddity like PalmOS or something? Ridiculous. A joke.
 

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And in 2026 they'll probably move on to something else that will make the 2023's wither on the vine. Rather, rinse, repeat.

The "OTA keeping the car updated forever!" and "it should last a half million miles!" were just hype. It's gonna be just like any other vehicle. The only difference is that the few updates they do beyond the first few years will be applied easier (OTA vs service appointment).

The next customer is always a higher priority than the last one.
At least the previous generation was supported for what, 8yrs? We get like 2.5
 


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I fully agree. If I see the available technology of the actual cars compared with my 6 years OLD car :eek: Everyone should accept that technology is changing fast and Ford has to follow this trend. A car that is ordered today is old stuff for the developers of the V2023
I dunno, man. After ciphering on it some more and talking to the wife, the Sync 4a vs. Android Automotive thing has me a bit spooked.
  • Orphaned products suffer for lack of support and improvement.
  • Resale value suffers.
  • The promise of potential improvements has evaporated.
Will the '21-22 cars be the odd black sheep cars that people will end up avoiding because of their quirky in-house software?

I gotta wonder how the Edison and Menlo teams are taking this news. They worked really hard to roll this well-integrated product into production and by all accounts it's truly a great system.
 

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I fully agree. If I see the available technology of the actual cars compared with my 6 years OLD car :eek: Everyone should accept that technology is changing fast and Ford has to follow this trend. A car that is ordered today is old stuff for the developers of the V2023
While I agree with you that technology moves fast a $1k phone and $3k laptop get better support than car infotainment systems. iPhones are supported with OS updates for almost 7 years in some cases. True some features are not always available on older phones but iOS 14 supports the iPhone 6s which was released in 2015. The current Mac OS 11 supports devices released in 2013. This doesn't even speak to Linux flavors and Windows 10 supporting hardware much, much older. Ford seems to ditch infotainment systems every 3-4 years.

My point here is a $60k car should have better support than a cheaper product. I may change my phone every other year or so but I cannot afford to do that with a car. The Mach E will be the 3rd Ford I will own where in the Infotainment system will be rendered obsolete within 3 years. I mean the base warranty is longer than the life of some of the Sync software versions. It is so frustrating knowing that I will be making payments on a car for years after its infotainment system is no longer supported.

If Microsoft, Apple and Google can make devices for $1k with hardware that far out paces what is in current infotainment systems, and support it for an extended period of time, there is no reason why the auto manufacturers can't do the same. Same for software. Microsoft\Linux\Mac all support older hardware with Apple being the most aggressive in what hardware versions it supports.

With the exception of Tesla who has provided other avenues for continued support (MCU upgrades at reasonable prices), Ford and the auto manufacturers need to stop being cheap with the hardware and using that as their excuse to not develop software for it. Provide an avenue for hardware upgrades. That to me is planned obsolescence, forcing consumers to trade up to get continued support and the latest feature sets. "We cannot support it because we chose hardware that cannot support the new version of the OS" - Auto Manufacturers

Ford execs have acknowledged that consumers want a more phone like interface in their cars so why should we not expect the longevity in support? Federal law requires that manufacturers make parts 10 years past model release date why not expect the same for supportability. This is new territory that I hope will get hammered out soon.

As much as I don't like Google products for their monetizing of my personal data, at least with Android Automotive Ford appears to be taking the step in the direction of long term support. Now don't cheap out that hardware or give me the option for an upgrade, I don't mind paying for that. My car should be supported far beyond my phone!

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It puts me in a real conundrum. If i get this car now I know in 2 years I might not have support, if i dont get it now I lose my 8k$ incentive that I wont get in 2 years. If I lease I'll have to change car in 4 years but at a certain point I want to stop making payments.
 
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It puts me in a real conundrum. If i get this car now I know in 2 years I might not have support, if i dont get it now I lose my 8k$ incentive that I wont get in 2 years. If I lease I'll have to change car in 4 years but at a certain point I want to stop making payments.
What incentive are you referring to?
 

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I dunno, man. After ciphering on it some more and talking to the wife, the Sync 4a vs. Android Automotive thing has me a bit spooked.
  • Orphaned products suffer for lack of support and improvement.
  • Resale value suffers.
  • The promise of potential improvements has evaporated.
Will the '21-22 cars be the odd black sheep cars that people will end up avoiding because of their quirky in-house software?

I gotta wonder how the Edison and Menlo teams are taking this news. They worked really hard to roll this well-integrated product into production and by all accounts it's truly a great system.
they got screwed over by people who dont care
 

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At least theyre honest and theyre trying. For that i'll give the my props and my money.
 

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They've realised they almost crashed their reputation by saying there wouldn't be an upgrade path for the sync 4 mache's to andriod.

Talk about making it up as they go along!
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