Let Ford (Mike Levine) know if you see dealer ADM on Mach-E

[FPLiptak]

You seem to have missed my point entirely so I'll be more explicit. You can't get a discount on an extended service plan in Florida because the dealers convinced all those free market loving legislators to pass a law making it illegal to discount such a plan. In order to protect consumers of course!

Same BS with pricing. Ford cannot legally force a dealer to sell at MSRP.

You can still buy the ESP from a out-of-state dealer. Try www.lombardfordwarrantys.com . I got mine through them (as have a lot of other people on this forum) for a very reasonable price. It is the same plan you would get through any dealer in Florida.

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[Kamuelaflyer]

I think Mike is getting sick of being trolled by the Tesla Mafia. More and more he's pushing back but he'll never win that war because trolls will always be there.

Understandably so. Fix or reign in the dealer issues with the MME and they'll have less ammunition.

With FSD the buyer is willingly paying for a scam. They are promised a robotaxi and get L2 automation.

I'd argue somewhat with the "willingly pay" part as I think most Tesla buyers honestly believe FSD is a thing or about to be. Shave while driving. One too many? Etc. But yeah it's a scam.

 

[tmblue]

Stop ship, kind of puts a shadow on his comment. He is over comment and should not be going after the company that made Ford bring the Mach-E. Tesla still owns them on the power train and tech.

 

[malba2366]

At least with ADM the buyer gets a car for a price they willingly pay.

With FSD the buyer is willingly paying for a scam. They are promised a robotaxi and get L2 automation.

No one is required to buy FSD, Tesla will happily sell you a car without FSD. Some of these dealers are forcing these ADMs on people who pre-ordered a car under different pretenses months ago. Pretty big difference there.

 

[shutterbug]

You seem to have missed my point entirely so I'll be more explicit. You can't get a discount on an extended service plan in Florida because the dealers convinced all those free market loving legislators to pass a law making it illegal to discount such a plan. In order to protect consumers of course!

Same BS with pricing. Ford cannot legally force a dealer to sell at MSRP.

We live in 2021! The customers have the ability to find out that they can buy the extended plan at a substantial discount. If they exercise such power, you will see how quickly the dealers wail to the state legislature and how quickly the law will change.

Ford may not be able to legally force dealers to sell at MSRP, but they have power to encourage that to the point that it doesn't matter.

 

[shutterbug]

Shave while driving

I could see GM bring back one of their classic models and call the feature The Barber of Seville

 

[Accord07]

You can still buy the ESP from a out-of-state dealer. Try www.lombardfordwarrantys.com . I got mine through them (as have a lot of other people on this forum) for a very reasonable price. It is the same plan you would get through any dealer in Florida.

You don't live in Florida though. This question has come up again and again on other car forums. In Florida extended warranties are considered insurance products and regulated as such. For starters the seller must be licensed in Florida (Title XXXVII of Florida statutes, covering insurance, 634.403 which refers to service warranties in general) so an out-of-state dealer cannot legally sell an extended warranty to a Florida resident, it also prohibits sellers from giving different discounts to different customers (634.1815 which covers motor vehicle service agreements in particular) so dealers claim they can only sell these policies at MSRP. The regulation only applies to sellers though, one can certainly buy one from an out-of-state dealer. Would a Florida dealer refuse to perform service covered by the extended warranty purchased out of state by a Florida resident? I have no idea.

 

[EVS]

A lot of PR in that post and very little substance.

Mike Levine shouldn't have to intervene on behalf of dealers suddenly taking on ADM to cars that were ordered. That should be a non-strater.

Find another dealer? Right start the wait all over again.

Fix the dealership morass.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/yellow-screen-force-tesla-to-replace-it.158197/

Let's also fix Tesla's stealreships, shall we? Where sun and wind are blamed as excuse to not repair the yellowing screens on $100k cars? Guess those cars are really meant for Mars.
Instead of the service centers fighting for the customers, they fight to keep their jobs from fraudster execs. What's that? There is a legal course? Good luck fighting with the mean Tesla lawyers in arbitration courts. Those lawyers visit these courts so often that the arbitrators are their friends now.

This by no means is an endorsement of ADMs. Those who placed the order via ford and waited should get their cars w/o ADMs. I think that is what Levine is saying. He will find alternate dealer where people can take delivery without waiting again in the line.

 

[EVS]

Time would be better spent from Mr Levine (who actually blocked me on twitter for some unknown reason), by sending a letter to all dealerships with a statement. However I am not a Tesla fan but one has the option to buy that 10K self-driving software, one does not have a choice with ADM when it's added on. Yes I know one can leave and go to another dealer. I have a feeling Ford is going figure this one out soon, but really should have been before the first delivery. One can hope for others this gets taken care of...

Umm... One DID NOT have any choice when Tesla was selling the promised $35k Model 3 at really high prices (over $65k?) to the most ardent fans and early adopters. Ask Fred Lambert. Do a big dump of overpriced cars (aka large ADMS from Tesla) at the quarter end and then suddenly drop the price by $5k-$10k overnight. Those people DID NOT have a choice and had no clue the price will be dropped suddenly right after their purchase.
https://www.xautoworld.com/tesla/model3-performance-refund/

One also did not know that the FSD coming soon since 2016 will not be seen before their 3 year leases already expire or their cars reach end of life. They were simply LIED TO. It wasn't a choice. It was LIES told by the salespeople and the CEO on twitter about vaporware. The sales people had no voice because they would have lost their jobs if they opened their mouths. So they became part of the scam.

Perhaps Ford should learn from Tesla to add $10k ADM to the MSRP and sell only the highest models at $70k-$80k while lying to people that its tax credit will expire soon, trying to upsell them. That will sound completely fair and transparent. /s

 

[machefan]

Umm... One DID NOT have any choice when Tesla was selling the promised $35k Model 3 at really high prices (over $65k?) to the most ardent fans and early adopters. Ask Fred Lambert. Do a big dump of overpriced cars (aka large ADMS from Tesla) at the quarter end and then suddenly drop the price by $5k-$10k overnight. Those people DID NOT have a choice and had no clue the price will be dropped suddenly right after their purchase.
https://www.xautoworld.com/tesla/model3-performance-refund/

One also did not know that the FSD coming soon since 2016 will not be seen before their 3 year leases already expire or their cars reach end of life. They were simply LIED TO. It wasn't a choice. It was LIES told by the salespeople and the CEO on twitter about vaporware. The sales people had no voice because they would have lost their jobs if they opened their mouths. So they became part of the scam.

Perhaps Ford should learn from Tesla to add $10k ADM to the MSRP and sell only the highest models at $70k-$80k while lying to people that its tax credit will expire soon, trying to upsell them. That will sound completely fair and transparent. /s

Your right, I won’t buy a Tesla, thanks for pointing this out.

My point was about Ford not Tesla, for Tesla you can opt out of FSD, you can’t out out of ADM. Only option is to find another dealer if they won’t drop it.

It had nothing to do about Tesla, I was replying to another member about Ford and ADM where as one can’t remove it unlike FSD etc.

 

[kikibop]

The whole premise of the issue is that buyers are somehow beholden to a dealer who adds a markup to suggested retail pricing. This is absurd. It’s very simple and easy to call other dealerships and find out who has the car you want at list. As we’ve read dozens of times on this forum, plenty of folks are driving home in MMEs priced properly with little hassle. Yes this issue is annoying and worth flagging but to condemn all dealers and Ford as a whole because of the random/occasional markup is simple-minded. I would expect more of Ross Gerber but obviously he’s got a vested interest in shitting on Ford. Levine is not going to solve ADM via one-off case management but at least we see there’s an internal champion raising hell to address the issue in some way.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

This by no means is an endorsement of ADMs. Those who placed the order via ford and waited should get their cars w/o ADMs. I think that is what Levine is saying. He will find alternate dealer where people can take delivery without waiting again in the line.

This is going to sound rude, and it is, but it's not directed at you. BS. Every dealer in Hawaii charges ADM. Every. Single. One. Ford knows about it because Jim Farley's office intervened on behalf of fewer than 6 people statewide when order conversions happened. Yes, the ADM is still there for everyone else. Everyone, including new orders. Yeah, if one of those people (or myself if the dealer actually had tried to change the agreement) complained about it to Mike Levine, just where would Ford find you your exact order in the state at MSRP or "less"? (Don't forget the $600 interisland barge fee). Or will we go to the mainland for it? Add $2,000 for shipping from California (more from Seattle) and 6 weeks' time.

So frankly, I believe almost nothing he posts about this subject.

 

[DBC]

You can still buy the ESP from a out-of-state dealer. Try www.lombardfordwarrantys.com .

It's just one EXAMPLE of how car dealers use state law to inhibit competition. Could just have easily pointed out how in most states you don't pay sales tax on the value of a trade in. (You may think this benefits you but guess again, it doesn't. It benefits car dealers).

Part of the web of legal restrictions which entrench car dealers is the prohibition on manufacturers forcing dealers to sell at MSRP.

FWIW I don't live in Florida and personally I have no interest in getting an extended service contract, at least at this time. Just pointing out the legal reality for all those thinking that Ford has an easy way of getting rid of ADM.

 

[DBC]

We live in 2021! The customers have the ability to find out that they can buy the extended plan at a substantial discount. If they exercise such power, you will see how quickly the dealers wail to the state legislature and how quickly the law will change.

Are you suggesting that consumers haven't had the ability to find out about this for the last ten years? Is there a move by Florida dealers to change the law? How many decades will it take?

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