The truth about Electrify America's progress and Traveling with the Mach E

[silverelan]

@zhackwyatt, it's just nuts to me that PHX and LAS aren't even in the plans to connect. Granted, there are other 3rd party charging networks but EA seems the most logical.

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[Billyk24]

I received the following replies about my two submissions (trimmed to the relevant parts):




Hopefully the more submissions and demand will help them "reevaluate past conclusions".

I submitted two locations in Wisconsin and Michigan but never heard back.

 

[dbsb3233]

@zhackwyatt, it's just nuts to me that PHX and LAS aren't even in the plans to connect. Granted, there are other 3rd party charging networks but EA seems the most logical.

What sucks is that the other charging companies don't seem to be very interested in offering L3 charging. At least yet anyway.

 

[zhackwyatt]

I submitted two locations in Wisconsin and Michigan but never heard back.

It took roughly 4 months before I received a reply.

 

[cometguy]

28k EV charging stations in the USA now, and 168k gasoline stations in the USA now, according to a Google search... That's a factor of almost six times fewer charging stations, and it takes a lot longer to charge and there are standards problems at charging stations (plugs, payment methods), not to mention that it takes a lot longer to wait for charging than gas fill-ups. I'm curious as to how many people are seriously thinking of buying a BEV in the next 2-3 years with express intentions of taking it on long road trips. Personally, I plan to do zero public charging with my BEV and only use it for commuting within 100-200 miles of home; I'll use other vehicles for long trips. It'll be 10-15 years before the infrastructure and charging times are reasonably close enough to gasoline fill-ups for me to think seriously about public charging (other than the odd curiosity or emergency public charge), but that won't stop me from buying a BEV for the immensely useful driving locally.

 

[cometguy]

I know that there are people like you who do a lot of public charging, but I'd guess that people like you are less than 1 percent of the total BEV owners, from my extensive monitoring of many BEV forums. I followed Don's Taycan Turbo roadtrip in real time from late Jan. until early March and was one of the many people who communicated with him on that trip on the Taycan Forum. He had a lot of problems on that trip with the chargers, but he has a good-natured adventurous spirit and so took it all in stride; but most people won't/don't want to deal with the hassles of public charging on long-distance trips. If you use the same public charging locally (like at work or stores or wherever), you probably have a good routine where you know the few charging stations that you use regularly. But for long road trips, charging stations are just not well placed like gas stations are, and they have problems with different payment schemes, not all have the plugs you need, it's common to find charging stations out of order, you often have to go way out of your way to get to a public charging station, big swaths of the country have almost zero stations, and often people have to wait to get a charger open. Kudos to you for finding a way to do public charging all the time, but you're in the minority.

 

[dbsb3233]

I know that there are people like you who do a lot of public charging, but I'd guess that people like you are less than 1 percent of the total BEV owners, from my extensive monitoring of many BEV forums.

Excellent points. There's a big difference between how much a small% of motivated enthusiasts are willing to compromise vs how much the average mainstream driver will be willing to.

It's not just whether it's possible, it's whether it's as easy and convenient as the alternative.

 

[Billyk24]

USA Growing again. As of June 10, 2020:
-432 total sites 121 future sites 1484 CCS chargers 432 CHAdeMo chargers 97 level 2 chargers

USA Growing again: As of June 14, 2020:
-433 total sites 120 future sites 1487 CCS chargers 4332 CHAdeMo chargers 97 level 2 chargers

 

[silverelan]

US Department of Energy has a great website listing all the charging stations in Canada & USA.

• 922 Tesla Supercharger stations
• 3100+ CCS stations

https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html

There are DCFCs on here that don't show up on Plugshare.

 

[macchiaz-o]

https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html

There are DCFCs on here that don't show up on Plugshare.

And vice versa.

 

[silverelan]

And vice versa.

On desktop site, I could get Plugshare to show me ~800 CCS stations but man, I had no idea that there were over 3000!

Granted, the vast majority of these are likely 24kW-50kW but it's still amazing to know.

 

[macchiaz-o]

On desktop site, I could get Plugshare to show me ~800 CCS stations but man, I had no idea that there were over 3000!

Granted, the vast majority of these are likely 24kW-50kW but it's still amazing to know.

I haven't found any straightforward way to get total numbers out of PlugShare. They've got a stats page but it's limited and weird to use (e.g. must drill into metro areas to see most stats).

The DOE site has this nice table of stations per state (with totals below the list): https://afdc.energy.gov/stations/states

But it doesn't provide a way to subtract out Supercharger locations from its DC Fast totals. And Tesla's stats seem to include future stations as well as destination chargers (AC level 1/2 locations). So all that is to say, I have no idea how many 25 kW+ CCS plugs are publicly available in the U.S.

When I zoom in on my local area on PlugShare and on the DOE map, and filter both of them to just CCS (DC Level 2) public locations, I see pretty mostly the same results. There's one or two more on PlugShare, but when I looked into them further, they're stations under construction that were probably added by early other users.

 

[JamieGeek]

You do realize that the whole point of plugshare is the share part and that if you see a station that isn't on plugshare you're supposed to add it (I've added one ! LOL).

Granted I'm not suggesting that you add all of the DCFC's that don't show on plugshare.

Its just that if something isn't on plugshare someone didn't add it (and if you see one missing there's no reason to wait..add it). The really "important" ones to add are the private non-networked stations (like the mom & pop shop that adds a single Level-2--you won't find that on any systems listing but, once someone adds it on plugshare, you'll find it there).

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