VW ID4 charging curve from three different ID4 vehicles

[Billyk24]

The charging curve was identical for three different vehicles including one from Europe. Source: VW ID.4 Amazes With DC Fast Charging Consistency (3 Cars Compared) (insideevs.com) key points:

• 20-80%SOC in 31 minutes
• starts at near peak of 127kW which is maintain up to 30%SOC 65kW at 70%SOC 40kW at 90%SOC
• vehicle keeps the battery pack at 77F all the time so no need for preconditioning?

I had a first hand outside look of the ID4 at a local dealership yesterday but no inside sitting or test driving. Vehicle had just arrived at the dealership. I like the look of it much better than the Model Y. Not sure why there is no front "frunk" when there is a lifting hood. I was not able to open the front hood.,

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[SteelMach]

No frunk because it's cheap. With how hard it is to close the hood on my Mach-E, plus the charge port on the front requiring a pull-in parking in my garage where the frunk is inaccessible,I don't think I'll be using the frunk much anyway, frustratingly. I was expecting to use it for groceries.

But yeah that curve looks amazing. So much better than ours. 150 kW... sure. For 2 minutes tops. Ugh.

Every time I look at my Mach-E I wonder why anyone would buy anything else.

Every time I get in my Mach-E, hear the screen buzz start, and head off and feel the pogo stick ride, I wonder what the VW dealer would give me if I traded it in for an ID.4.

 

[Billyk24]

No frunk because it's cheap. With how hard it is to close the hood on my Mach-E, plus the charge port on the front requiring a pull-in parking in my garage where the frunk is inaccessible,I don't think I'll be using the frunk much anyway, frustratingly. I was expecting to use it for groceries.

But yeah that curve looks amazing. So much better than ours. 150 kW... sure. For 2 minutes tops. Ugh.

Every time I look at my Mach-E I wonder why anyone would buy anything else.

Every time I get in my Mach-E, hear the screen buzz start, and head off and feel the pogo stick ride, I wonder what the VW dealer would give me if I traded it in for an ID.4.

ID4 with 4 wd built in the USA is to arrive late 2022.

 

[SteelMach]

ID4 with 4 wd built in the USA is to arrive late 2022.

RWD or bust haha

I just meant the ID.4 is proof of why the "peak" charge rate isn't the whole story.

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

Consistent curve across different conditions is a very good thing, so kudos to VW for that.

 

[raadsel]

No frunk because it's cheap. With how hard it is to close the hood on my Mach-E, plus the charge port on the front requiring a pull-in parking in my garage where the frunk is inaccessible,I don't think I'll be using the frunk much anyway, frustratingly. I was expecting to use it for groceries.

But yeah that curve looks amazing. So much better than ours. 150 kW... sure. For 2 minutes tops. Ugh.

Every time I look at my Mach-E I wonder why anyone would buy anything else.

Every time I get in my Mach-E, hear the screen buzz start, and head off and feel the pogo stick ride, I wonder what the VW dealer would give me if I traded it in for an ID.4.

From what I've found, there are two major reasons for the lack of frunk in the ID.4. First, is to keep the hood short and maximize the interior room. Remember the ID.4 is a "world" car with most being sold in European markets, where smaller cars with short hoods are desirable -- you don't want to get to a "blind" intersection (where the houses are right up to the street corner) and have a long hood.

So VW intentionally kept the hood short, with the idea of maximizing the space in the car. It is worth noting that the ID.4 has similar (and I believe slightly larger) total interior space than the Mach E, despite being about 5-6 inches shorter.

The second reason is to give the RWD ID.4 its amazing turn radius.

 

[dbsb3233]

But yeah that curve looks amazing. So much better than ours. 150 kW... sure. For 2 minutes tops. Ugh.

Other than the section above 80%, I don't see that as all that much different than the Mach-E curve. Pre-80%, the MME does a bit better. We get the early 160kW peak (albeit just for a couple of minutes), and usually hold 80-90kW all the way to 80%. The ID.4 is down to 65kW in that area.

I've been fairly impressed with how well the MME holds power all the way to 80% SOC. I usually just charge to 80% on nearly every road-trip DCFC. But I know the cliff at 80% upsets many people.

 

[breeves002]

From what I've found, there are two major reasons for the lack of frunk in the ID.4. First, is to keep the hood short and maximize the interior room. Remember the ID.4 is a "world" car with most being sold in European markets, where smaller cars with short hoods are desirable -- you don't want to get to a "blind" intersection (where the houses are right up to the street corner) and have a long hood.

So VW intentionally kept the hood short, with the idea of maximizing the space in the car. It is worth noting that the ID.4 has similar (and I believe slightly larger) total interior space than the Mach E, despite being about 5-6 inches shorter.

The second reason is to give the RWD ID.4 its amazing turn radius.

See this is silly. They put all of the stuff that is normally under the dash under the hood. That's why there is no frunk. The dashboard is a regular size too, it isn't like they shrunk it to add passenger compartment room. They put the whole HVAC box (heater core, evaporator, etc) in the engine bay instead of under the dash like all other vehicles. I think they could have easily put in a usable frunk but they got lazy and decided to do 'easy' engineering.

Go look under the dash of the mach e then the id4. No space for anything in the mach e it's all full of stuff. Left room for a big frunk. Though the longer hood does help haha.

 

[dbsb3233]

Go look under the dash of the mach e then the id4. No space for anything in the mach e it's all full of stuff. Left room for a big frunk. Though the longer hood does help haha.

Another thing I like about the Mach-E is the very deep under-dash foot well. It's amazing how far you can stretch your legs forward in this thing on either side of the pedals (for a vehicle of this overall size).

 

[trutolife27]

Consistent curve across different conditions is a very good thing, so kudos to VW for that.

yep

 

[trutolife27]

No frunk because it's cheap. With how hard it is to close the hood on my Mach-E, plus the charge port on the front requiring a pull-in parking in my garage where the frunk is inaccessible,I don't think I'll be using the frunk much anyway, frustratingly. I was expecting to use it for groceries.

But yeah that curve looks amazing. So much better than ours. 150 kW... sure. For 2 minutes tops. Ugh.

Every time I look at my Mach-E I wonder why anyone would buy anything else.

Every time I get in my Mach-E, hear the screen buzz start, and head off and feel the pogo stick ride, I wonder what the VW dealer would give me if I traded it in for an ID.4.

Yep. Many many cost-cutting for the ID4. the arm rest are aweful.

 

[phil]

The second reason is to give the RWD ID.4 its amazing turn radius.

You're saying a frunk increases turning radius? That's a stretch.

But the ID.4's tight turning circle is a very nice feature! Far superior to the Mustang, especially the GT.

 

[silverelan]

Other than the section above 80%, I don't see that as all that much different than the Mach-E curve. Pre-80%, the MME does a bit better. We get the early 160kW peak (albeit just for a couple of minutes), and usually hold 80-90kW all the way to 80%. The ID.4 is down to 65kW in that area.

I've been fairly impressed with how well the MME holds power all the way to 80% SOC. I usually just charge to 80% on nearly every road-trip DCFC. But I know the cliff at 80% upsets many people.

My impression with the MME's charging profile is that the charging experience is pretty consistent across a wide spectrum of the state of charge. Plugging in the MME and going from 10% to 50% is as quick as plugging in at 40% to 80%. The ID4's curve means that 10% to 50% is much quicker than 40% to 80%.

 

[dbsb3233]

My impression with the MME's charging profile is that the charging experience is pretty consistent across a wide spectrum of the state of charge. Plugging in the MME and going from 10% to 50% is as quick as plugging in at 40% to 80%. The ID4's curve means that 10% to 50% is much quicker than 40% to 80%.

Exactly. The MME charge curve is relatively flat from 0-80% SOC. Not entirely, but other than the first 2 minute surge at ~160kW, it stays within a fairly consistent 80-120 window (often 90-110). I really like that, because there's very little time penalty for not playing the "BEV perfection" game (planning every leg perfectly to charge only up to the amount needed to arrive below 10% at the next charger).

With very little time loss, it's just so much easier to charge all the way up to 80% regardless of whether arrival at the next charger is 20%, 30%, or 40%. Way less anxiety, way more flexibility for detours or last minute change of plans. In essence, it's more ICE-like (which is a good thing for most drivers).

 

[raadsel]

See this is silly. They put all of the stuff that is normally under the dash under the hood. That's why there is no frunk. The dashboard is a regular size too, it isn't like they shrunk it to add passenger compartment room. They put the whole HVAC box (heater core, evaporator, etc) in the engine bay instead of under the dash like all other vehicles. I think they could have easily put in a usable frunk but they got lazy and decided to do 'easy' engineering.

Go look under the dash of the mach e then the id4. No space for anything in the mach e it's all full of stuff. Left room for a big frunk. Though the longer hood does help haha.

I'll be interested to see how things look under the hood of the AWD version. I would guess that with the motor under the hood it will be somewhat tighter.

Yes, they could have put a somewhat small frunk under the hood and I'd even argue they should have put one where you could fit the charging cable.

You're saying a frunk increases turning radius? That's a stretch.

But the ID.4's tight turning circle is a very nice feature! Far superior to the Mustang, especially the GT.

The wheel wells are larger, since the wheels need more room to turn, giving less space for a frunk.

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