2021 Mach-E won't get 2022 usable Battery Increase

[sockmeister]

Yeah I mean I really hope it’s not true, even for just a small increase in usable capacity.

How do you delete a thread on here. I swear I’m not a noob I can’t find it.

Haha, to be honest, I'm really not sure. It might be an Admin action. Your thread is here to stay!

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[sockmeister]

Haha, to be honest, I'm really not sure. It might be an Admin action. Your thread is here to stay!

@Gullwingdmc it looks like your thread got merged with the other one anyway lol

 

[Accord07]

From 88 to 91 kwh? Right, you need to yell.

Absolutely, especially when new threads are created daily about poor range ?

 

[DevSecOps]

I noticed within the last month that my range dropped by 80 miles. I was promised more range from Ford and they told me that I would get 3 kWh more to make up for my losses. Should I call the dealer? I'll make another thread about it and @ the official Ford account in the mean time. ?

But really... I don't believe that article one bit. It's a software change and no reason not to do it.

 

[ElectrifyCLT]

Where did they ever confirm the 2021 would get the capacity increase?

 

[ARK]

I noticed within the last month that my range dropped by 80 miles. I was promised more range from Ford and they told me that I would get 3 kWh more to make up for my losses. Should I call the dealer? I'll make another thread about it and @ the official Ford account in the mean time. ?

But really... I don't believe that article one bit. It's a software change and no reason not to do it.

Maybe they are having trouble figuring out how to do it OTA and don’t want to spend money on it, sort of like the situation they are in with BlueCruise (which they can't back out of because they have promised it + BlueCruise has the potential for future revenue in a way a one time OTA update to increase battery capacity would not).

 

[jlauro]

I noticed within the last month that my range dropped by 80 miles. I was promised more range from Ford and they told me that I would get 3 kWh more to make up for my losses. Should I call the dealer? I'll make another thread about it and @ the official Ford account in the mean time. ?

But really... I don't believe that article one bit. It's a software change and no reason not to do it.

One reason to not do it... either way they have to honor the battery warranty, and if the software change increases how many batteries they have to replace then why give it to people who already bought it, they are not paying for the increased price that comes with the 2022 models.

That said, I am still expecting Ford to make it available but it will not surprise me if they don't, and not going to like the Mach E and less without it (unless I get stranded somewhere or just a few miles short of a charger on a better route).

 

[timbop]

Where did they ever confirm the 2021 would get the capacity increase?

It was never promised, but Darren Palmer talked about it in his interview with the insideevs guys in september or october. He did imply that it was to be for older cars, as he's played up the angle that OTA's make your existing car better over time.

Honestly, I'd rather not have the update and just see less degradation in 4 years

 

[Bryan_GTPE]

Honestly if 21s get it or not won’t matter in 4-5 years when the MachEs still get their EPA rating while Teslas are getting 260 when rated at 303 because they don’t have enough buffer, just means the Tesla depreciated more IMHO.

 

[Jimbo]

Where did they ever confirm the 2021 would get the capacity increase?

See https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...-2021-mmes-to-increase-usage-of-battery.10809 for more discussion, but I don't think Ford ever released a statement confirming it. However, multiple reviewers (e.g. ) heard from Ford (either nameless, or Darren Palmer directly) at GT launch events that the capacity increase was coming to 2021s as an OTA.

I don't think it's wrong of Ford to not increase capacity of 2021s per se, but it is wrong for them to explicitly state they were going to to multiple reviewers, and then let that impression stand for two months before saying "we lied/those reviewers lied". That's two months of people buying Mach-Es, some of whom may have waited for a 2022 if they knew they were being misled.

 

[FPLiptak]

Could it be that part of the increase for the 2022 model is due to decreases in weight which were discussed with Sandy Munro with the lead designer?

 

[ElectrifyCLT]

It was never promised, but Darren Palmer talked about it in his interview with the insideevs guys in september or october. He did imply that it was to be for older cars, as he's played up the angle that OTA's make your existing car better over time.

Honestly, I'd rather not have the update and just see less degradation in 4 years

yeah, I really listened to that portion of the podcast and only took away definitively the improvements in the charging curve. I agree that it was referenced but not explicitly said there.

See https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...-2021-mmes-to-increase-usage-of-battery.10809 for more discussion, but I don't think Ford ever released a statement confirming it. However, multiple reviewers (e.g. ) heard from Ford (either nameless, or Darren Palmer directly) at GT launch events that the capacity increase was coming to 2021s as an OTA.

I don't think it's wrong of Ford to not increase capacity of 2021s per se, but it is wrong for them to explicitly state they were going to to multiple reviewers, and then let that impression stand for two months before saying "we lied/those reviewers lied". That's two months of people buying Mach-Es, some of whom may have waited for a 2022 if they knew they were being misled.

I totally forgot about all of these reviews actually referencing that, was way more focused on their impressions of the cars but you are definitely correct.

 

[DevSecOps]

Maybe they are having trouble figuring out how to do it OTA and don’t want to spend money on it, sort of like the situation they are in with BlueCruise (which they can't back out of because they have promised it + BlueCruise has the potential for future revenue in a way a one time OTA update to increase battery capacity would not).

I could see this being a very logical conclusion. Personally, I think it's a marketing stunt to help sell the '22 models. Once all that passes over I think we might get it. But as I've stated over and over, I don't expect it, nor will I complain if I don't get it.

 

[timbop]

Could it be that part of the increase for the 2022 model is due to decreases in weight which were discussed with Sandy Munro with the lead designer?

The 2022 specs state a higher usable capacity of 70 and 91 kwh for SR/ER respectively

yeah, I really listened to that portion of the podcast and only took away definitively the improvements in the charging curve. I agree that it was referenced but not explicitly said there

Yes it was definitely phrased as a "we're thinking about it" kind of thing, but it would be a surprising move on Ford's part to already start limiting what updates go to 21's. If they stick to that then Teslarati will make a lot of noise about it

 

[Wildthing]

The source is Hannah Ooms, who is Electric Vehicle Product Communications Manager since only 2 months (October 2021). She probably read her text since there has been no official announcement. We probably knows the Mach-E better than her. I would prefer to hear Darren Parler explain that rather than having a communication employee answering to a website request like he did well in a podcast a few months ago. He's not afraid to talk about unconfirmed information. No sexism here, I just don't trust communications department to answer serious questions. I prefer an engineer to an instababe

If it's true I'm very disappointed. Jaguar and many other increased usable capacity after a year of data collecting. Especially because the Mach-E as a buffer 2-3 times larger than most manufacturers.

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