10,000 mi review and Tesla MY comparison

[amoo3]

My thoughts after reaching 10,000 miles. I purchased this around the same time as family member purchased an MY and we spend time sharing our experiences over the last 6 months or so for comparison. He is planning to sell his MY already.

My P0s for a new car EV (coming from '19 eGolf) were:
range >250mi at highway speed in warmer season
Phone as a key
Pano roof
Plug and charge (no apps etc)
AWD


Price: Ford. We paid ~same out the door. MachE gets a 7500 fed credit

Range: Tossup. Ford is much more accurate in the range meter and FDA range ratings so the Y tends to do worse than rated and the mach e tends to do about as well. Biggest gripe my family member had with the Y in the winter was that the range meter was unreliable whereas I found the mach e to be pretty spot on. In the warmer months, I got ~260-280mi on each leg of my roadtrip @70mph.

Comfort: Tossup. Ford basically copied tesla's homework but brought in some traditional stuff like a speedometer that sits in front of you, regular stocks etc. it’s a more traditional car but with most of the same features. I tend to like the seats and buttons better in the Ford but the Y feels very open and “cool”. The MY's pano roof is much more open feeling than the MachE's. The ride is slightly better in the Ford imo but it's barely noticeable to me.

Tech: Tesla. Ford have done a good job but it doesn't match Tesla. The screen is ok but definitely slower, CoPilot/Bluecruise are actually pretty dang good but still way behind AP. For context I can do DC<>Pittsburgh with really only a handful of takeovers. Lack of ability to do things like watch netflix etc while charging kinda suck but tbh Im not sure if I'd ever really use it. Biggest miss to me is lack of sentry-mode type feature. All the cameras are there, just let us use them. In some cases "old" tech is still better IMO like legacy style blind spot indicators vs a pop-up camera thats not in your FOV when changing lanes.

Charging: Tesla by a hair (maybe). Tesla probably still has the advantage here but I don’t think it's major anymore. Anecdotally, I went to Boston/NJ/Pitt/DC (Three separate trips) using Fords build in maps which routed me (after applying a filter) along my route to EA stations only, and upon arrival I was able to plug in and charge without having to swipe a card or load an app. Just like Tesla. Worked every time. That said, many people appear to still have issues and the closed ecosystem of Tesla does allow them more control and knowledge about how to route. But given that we're investing in charging infra heavily as a nation, I don’t think this advantage is that significant nor will it last long. Depends on your use case though. I only road trip a couple times a year so it's not a game changer to me. I would not suggest my parents roadtrip in anything but a Tesla yet though.

Performance: Allegedly the 0-60 of the MY and MME are both 4.7s. I've measurably achieved this in the MME on a full battery. The MY feels faster though. I think you get more torque earlier in the MY and the MME doesn't have that same "Rocketship" feeling. That said, for a family car that I tend to drive 90% of the time with family in tow, it doesn't really matter to me.

Wrap up:
I think the MY and the MachE are still the only two vehicles on market that actually satisfy all my requirements. Ionic/EV6, ID4 come close but IIRC are missing PaaK, and plug and charge. I don't regret not buying the MY (I really thought I might) but still think it is a wise purchase in this category. If I were to buy again, I would probably still get the MachE, but some of the features in the Ionic 5 (specifically fast charging) would make me seriously consider that as well. I would go R1T but is that really "on the market" yet...?

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[treasy]

nice write up.

the Korean cars have paak and pano roofs on the top trims

 

[Jimrpa]

nice write up.

the Korean cars have paak and pano roofs on the top trims

I think, in the long run, the Koreans will be the ones to benchmark, BUT how come none of the reviews has said a word about driver assistance features? As far as I’ve seen, nobody has even mentioned backup sensors or a backup camera, let alone cruise control, ACC, lane keeping & centering, collision avoidance, etc. I looked (briefly) on the Hyundai & Kia websites and didn’t see any driver assistance features highlighted.

 

[amoo3]

I think, in the long run, the Koreans will be the ones to benchmark, BUT how come none of the reviews has said a word about driver assistance features? As far as I’ve seen, nobody has even mentioned backup sensors or a backup camera, let alone cruise control, ACC, lane keeping & centering, collision avoidance, etc. I looked (briefly) on the Hyundai & Kia websites and didn’t see any driver assistance features highlighted.

Hyundai has been at the forefront of ADAS for several years now. I think "Lane keep + ACC" on the highway are pretty par for the course in this category. Both the EV6 and Ionic 5 have features comparable to the MME. I believe Out of Spec did a review which included ADAS features on the Ionic. The Hyundai has lane change, but no hands off in comparison to the MME

nice write up.

the Korean cars have paak and pano roofs on the top trims

I think you are right but Hyundai's digital key is more like a key (take it out, unlock phone, and put it near the car) than Tesla/Ford Park (Walk up). IIRC neither has plug and charge.

 

[Schmetsky]

I like the Ioniq5 looks but the cargo area is too small for all my soccer gear. The frunk in the MachE helps also. The EV6 looks are strange IMHO. It has the same cargo capacity issues.

 

[Cm12]

It’s always seemed to me that Tesla is a tech company building cars and Ford is a car company building tech. Neither have nailed it yet, but they’re getting close. If Ford could just figure out the tech side of things then they would have the best EVs out there right now. I think Polestar has the right idea with utilizing Google for their infotainment and focusing their efforts on the car build quality. Lots of good options.

 

[voxel]

The big argument for the Korean cars are two fold:

1) Fast charging with 800V architecture.
2) Gentler suspension. Mach-E and Model Y have harsh ride by comparison.

Technically the Korean cars (Ioniq 5 and EV6 AWD) are faster than both the Mach-E (non GT) and Model Y (non Performance). People are reporting 4.4-4.6 second times.

 

[Blue highway]

I think, in the long run, the Koreans will be the ones to benchmark, BUT how come none of the reviews has said a word about driver assistance features? As far as I’ve seen, nobody has even mentioned backup sensors or a backup camera, let alone cruise control, ACC, lane keeping & centering, collision avoidance, etc. I looked (briefly) on the Hyundai & Kia websites and didn’t see any driver assistance features highlighted.

You might be right on Kia Hyundai... I like the EV6...but IMHO the MME is overall a better choice today.

I also think that as soon as 2-3 years from now the benchmarks are likely to be BYD, Nio, and Xpeng.

 

[Socalsp3]

I think, in the long run, the Koreans will be the ones to benchmark, BUT how come none of the reviews has said a word about driver assistance features? As far as I’ve seen, nobody has even mentioned backup sensors or a backup camera, let alone cruise control, ACC, lane keeping & centering, collision avoidance, etc. I looked (briefly) on the Hyundai & Kia websites and didn’t see any driver assistance features highlighted.

I5/EV6 has all of the above

 

[Ghost Ryder]

I think that's a fair assessment. It comes down to what do you prioritize. The Y is faster overall, and especially above 80. Its no contest. The interior space is spacious especially the back. seats. But the Mache is definitely better built. Feels much more solid.

The Mache is slower to charge at home due to lower max charge rate and bigger battery.

I like the suspesion of the GTPE better the MY LR.

The seats are better on the Y than the GTPE for comfort, but the GTPE seats hold you better.

 

[ARK]

I think that's a fair assessment. It comes down to what do you prioritize. The Y is faster overall, and especially above 80. Its no contest. The interior space is spacious especially the back. seats. But the Mache is definitely better built. Feels much more solid.

The Mache is slower to charge at home due to lower max charge rate and bigger battery.

I like the suspesion of the GTPE better the MY LR.

The seats are better on the Y than the GTPE for comfort, but the GTPE seats hold you better.

I believe the Model Y and Mach-E have the same max charge rate at home at 48 amps, which in any case most people don’t seem to utilize based on posts on this forum just based on the requirements of having a home setup that is 48amp capable.

 

[Maquis]

I believe the Model Y and Mach-E have the same max charge rate at home at 48 amps, which in any case most people don’t seem to utilize based on posts on this forum just based on the requirements of having a home setup that is 48amp capable.

I think that’s correct. In fact, the current generation Wall Connector maxes at 48A. The old ones used to charge a Model S at 80A, iirc.

 

[Schmetsky]

The Koreans have cargo area that is too small for my soccer coaching gear, with no Frunk.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

I think that’s correct. In fact, the current generation Wall Connector maxes at 48A. The old ones used to charge a Model S at 80A, iirc.

The wall unit puts out 48A, But the onboard charger can only accept 10.5 Kw? while tesla can accept 11.5Kw. So about 10%faster.

I have a 48A tesla wall charger for use in the Tesla and a 40A Grizzl-e to use in the MME. I can tell you that that to charge from almost empty to 100%, the MME takes about 4 hour longer.

 

[robbinbadams]

My thoughts after reaching 10,000 miles. I purchased this around the same time as family member purchased an MY and we spend time sharing our experiences over the last 6 months or so for comparison. He is planning to sell his MY already.

My P0s for a new car EV (coming from '19 eGolf) were:
range >250mi at highway speed in warmer season
Phone as a key
Pano roof
Plug and charge (no apps etc)
AWD


Price: Ford. We paid ~same out the door. MachE gets a 7500 fed credit

Range: Tossup. Ford is much more accurate in the range meter and FDA range ratings so the Y tends to do worse than rated and the mach e tends to do about as well. Biggest gripe my family member had with the Y in the winter was that the range meter was unreliable whereas I found the mach e to be pretty spot on. In the warmer months, I got ~260-280mi on each leg of my roadtrip @70mph.

Comfort: Tossup. Ford basically copied tesla's homework but brought in some traditional stuff like a speedometer that sits in front of you, regular stocks etc. it’s a more traditional car but with most of the same features. I tend to like the seats and buttons better in the Ford but the Y feels very open and “cool”. The MY's pano roof is much more open feeling than the MachE's. The ride is slightly better in the Ford imo but it's barely noticeable to me.

Tech: Tesla. Ford have done a good job but it doesn't match Tesla. The screen is ok but definitely slower, CoPilot/Bluecruise are actually pretty dang good but still way behind AP. For context I can do DC<>Pittsburgh with really only a handful of takeovers. Lack of ability to do things like watch netflix etc while charging kinda suck but tbh Im not sure if I'd ever really use it. Biggest miss to me is lack of sentry-mode type feature. All the cameras are there, just let us use them. In some cases "old" tech is still better IMO like legacy style blind spot indicators vs a pop-up camera thats not in your FOV when changing lanes.

Charging: Tesla by a hair (maybe). Tesla probably still has the advantage here but I don’t think it's major anymore. Anecdotally, I went to Boston/NJ/Pitt/DC (Three separate trips) using Fords build in maps which routed me (after applying a filter) along my route to EA stations only, and upon arrival I was able to plug in and charge without having to swipe a card or load an app. Just like Tesla. Worked every time. That said, many people appear to still have issues and the closed ecosystem of Tesla does allow them more control and knowledge about how to route. But given that we're investing in charging infra heavily as a nation, I don’t think this advantage is that significant nor will it last long. Depends on your use case though. I only road trip a couple times a year so it's not a game changer to me. I would not suggest my parents roadtrip in anything but a Tesla yet though.

Performance: Allegedly the 0-60 of the MY and MME are both 4.7s. I've measurably achieved this in the MME on a full battery. The MY feels faster though. I think you get more torque earlier in the MY and the MME doesn't have that same "Rocketship" feeling. That said, for a family car that I tend to drive 90% of the time with family in tow, it doesn't really matter to me.

Wrap up:
I think the MY and the MachE are still the only two vehicles on market that actually satisfy all my requirements. Ionic/EV6, ID4 come close but IIRC are missing PaaK, and plug and charge. I don't regret not buying the MY (I really thought I might) but still think it is a wise purchase in this category. If I were to buy again, I would probably still get the MachE, but some of the features in the Ionic 5 (specifically fast charging) would make me seriously consider that as well. I would go R1T but is that really "on the market" yet...?

I ordered the CART1 in Dec. no build date yet.

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