Mileage for Extended Range Mach-E Models Revealed in EPA Emissions Certifications

[Blinkin]

A free coffee mug is probably a good description of how Ford’s Comm Team thinks about interacting with buyers. In other words, Ford’s Comm Team is stuck in the past.

There’s a good reason Tesla has no Comm Team. Bad ones like Ford’s actually work against the interests of the company. I think this is especially true with younger buyers who are turned off by corporate-speak and spokes-holes in general.

Based on this weeks events and Ford’s response, I’m not confident that Ford is really prepared or even understands the battle they're entering. I guess we’ll see how far Ford can ride the Mustang name. Hopefully the Mustang brand is strong enough it can over come the drag of Ford’s bureaucracy.

Or maybe, just maybe, they want to wait until the EPA certifies results. Or maybe it's a bureaucracy that doesn't want you to know "the truth" that was exposed by internet sleuths based on 4 month old unofficial data.

If I only there were a way to know which alternative is reasonable.

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[kdryden99]

Car fires can happen whether ICE or EV. But they're also extremely rare in both. Not really something I worry about either way.

In a relative sense, I'm more concerned about drunk drivers and txters.

This could have been a result of either one of those violations. Actually one thing that really scares me are the idiots who think self driving means they can do whatever they want behind the wheel

 

[SteveUk]

It's a flaming nuisance!

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

Epa results and nothing, articles written and nothing, ford makes a statement and nothing, ford comment on this thread and absolutely zero. More jokes required; GoGo is getting bored

We don't have real EPA results yet - it was made clear about .5 seconds after the first post they aren't the real results yet. "Articles" were meaningless drivel from the meaningless first post, and Ford said repeatedly that it was all nothing. So yeah, nothing. Now 24 pages of nothing.

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

We don't have real EPA results yet - it was made clear about .5 seconds after the first post they aren't the real results yet. "Articles" were meaningless drivel from the meaningless first post, and Ford said repeatedly that it was all nothing. So yeah, nothing. Now 24 pages of nothing.

to be fair there are some jokes and a fire at a gas station, I guess. I try to be reasonable in my criticisms.

 

[Shayne]

I prefer to leave it up to each person to decide which compromises and trade-offs they're willing to make and which they aren't. I know in our case, out fully-loaded Escape Titanium is pretty nice too, so it's not like a dramatic upgrade to drive the MME. But there will be some cool new tech. That's probably the biggest plus. And of course around home, the home charging is a big plus. On the road though, it's a much tougher call because there's a lot of drawbacks that require compromise.

Pros and cons both ways. But it's great to have that choice, which we'll make based on our preferences (not because someone else tells us we need to, thank you very much).

Minimum engine noise will most likely be up there for me.

We don't have real EPA results yet - it was made clear about .5 seconds after the first post they aren't the real results yet. "Articles" were meaningless drivel from the meaningless first post, and Ford said repeatedly that it was all nothing. So yeah, nothing. Now 24 pages of nothing.

Posted on a government data base. Looks pretty real to me; your definition must differ.

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

Minimum engine noise will most likely be up there for me.

Posted on a government data base. Looks pretty real to me; your definition must differ.

You must not have read the 24 pages or even really the first page or so, or you'd see there were multiple statements explaining why it's not valid to take that data as relevant at this time.

You're being deliberately obtuse and/or argumentative at this point. I guess that will make three ignored people. Congratulations on getting onto that exclusive list.

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

I'm paid very well to do it, thank you. It's how I can afford a First Edition.

 

[kdryden99]

Posted on a government data base. Looks pretty real to me; your definition must differ.

It doesnt mean its final. They post it and then they make revisions.

 

[trutolife27]

And he does a fine job at it. Mache forum own Chuck Norris.

 

[RonTCat]

Minimum engine noise will most likely be up there for me.

Posted on a government data base. Looks pretty real to me; your definition must differ.

Yes, those are official until they are superceded by later results. Highly likely that will happen, since I'm sure the keepers of the Ford website are fully able to get the site updated in 3 months if those were truly the final numbers. Please hold any FordPass jokes, thanks in advance.

 

[DBC]

I'll take the 30 miles since 1 sec is nothing compared to sitting and charging over the course of its life.

An additional 30 miles of range won't likely save you any time. For starters, unless you are on a longer trip, you won't ever be "sitting and charging". You charge the car when you're doing other things, like sleeping. So, while you can add range at a gas pump at the rate of 240 miles/minute, you'll spend far less time refueling a MME at the rate of 10 miles/hour than you would an ICE vehicle which can refuel at 100 miles/minute.

Adding 30 miles of range also won't really change the time it takes to recharge when on a trip. The time spent at a DC charging station is determined by the charging rate and the efficiency of the vehicle. The first factor is fixed and the difference in the ranges implies a minor difference in efficiency. Pretty simple once you think about it.

Bottom line: take the second and forget about the thirty miles (which I don't think you'll need to do BTW).

 

[dbsb3233]

An additional 30 miles of range won't likely save you any time. For starters, unless you are on a longer trip, you won't ever be "sitting and charging". You charge the car when you're doing other things, like sleeping. So, while you can add range at a gas pump at the rate of 240 miles/minute, you'll spend far less time refueling a MME at the rate of 10 miles/hour than you would an ICE vehicle which can refuel at 100 miles/minute.

Adding 30 miles of range also won't really change the time it takes to recharge when on a trip. The time spent at a DC charging station is determined by the charging rate and the efficiency of the vehicle. The first factor is fixed and the difference in the ranges implies a minor difference in efficiency. Pretty simple once you think about it.

Bottom line: take the second and forget about the thirty miles (which I don't think you'll need to do BTW).

Like so many things surrounding distance driving, what you say requires an "it depends" qualifier.

It depends greatly on the trip. For instance, if realistic 75 MPH range jumps from 200 to 230, and you have a 220 mile trip to drive with L2 charging at your destination, it means the difference in not have to stop to DCFC charge along the way at all.

Or if you have a full drive day, and the chargers are spaced such that the extra 30 miles allows you to leapfrog some, you may only have to make 3 stops instead of 4 or 5.

Would 30 extra miles be massive? No, but it's not insignificant either. On some routes it may not make any difference, but on others it would.

 

[srogers]

At about 30 seconds into this YouTube video the driver gives some information on the range he was seeing. Mach E test drive

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