Mach-E EPA Ratings Revealed in Window Sticker!

[Astro]

I'm also a little skeptical that these are even real numbers, the sticker is still mostly blank and maybe only based on targets.

Are we sure about the buffer size because if the buffer size is so big why does the manual ask us to only charge to 90%? I was sort of hoping that we could always just take advantage of the full range by charging to 100%.

This may be an indication that they are reducing the buffer to improve their EPA ratings. Fact is sometimes you don't always know when something is going to come up and you need to have that extra range. I charge my volt to 100% all the time and never have had any degradations as a result that I've noticed and it's been over 3 years.

What other battery operated product do you know of where you are told to only charge to 90%? If this is required than it should be built into the buffer and the only reason to not is to get better EPA ratings or just allow drivers to purposely or accidentally accelerate their range degradation over time?

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[RonTCat]

The range is fine. The efficiency rating is the issue, cost of operation of the Mach e will be 30% higher than a vehicle which offers the same amount of space and performance. That is a big deal.

The cost of electricity is the cheapest part of ownership, so it's a really small big deal. A genuine big deal would be if insurance or repair cost were 30% higher.

 

[RonTCat]

I'm also a little skeptical that these are even real numbers, the sticker is still mostly blank and maybe only based on targets.

Are we sure about the buffer size because if the buffer size is so big why does the manual ask us to only charge to 90%? I was sort of hoping that we could always just take advantage of the full range by charging to 100%.

This may be an indication that they are reducing the buffer to improve their EPA ratings. Fact is sometimes you don't always know when something is going to come up and you need to have that extra range. I charge my volt to 100% all the time and never have had any degradations as a result that I've noticed and it's been over 3 years.

What other battery operated product do you know of where you are told to only charge to 90%? If this is required than it should be built into the buffer and the only reason to not is to get better EPA ratings or just allow drivers to purposely or accidentally accelerate their range degradation over time?

Do you have a snip from the manual that says 90%? Thanks.

 

[macchiaz-o]

From page 149:

 

[macchiaz-o]

Do you have a snip from the manual that says 90%? Thanks.

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[Astro]

https://www.fordservicecontent.com/...&userMarket=USA&div=f&vFilteringEnabled=False

This may not seem like much but losing 10% of your range is quite a big loss if you have long commutes or live in very cold places where it's not uncommon to lose 40% of your charge already on very cold days.

 

[FredT]

So how should I enter the figure into A Better Route Planner? What does the highway figure of 84 MPGe work out to in wh/mi or mi/kWh?

I'm going to use 3.07 (270/88). ABRP currently uses 2.64.

 

[RonTCat]

This may not seem like much but losing 10% of your range is quite a big loss if you have long commutes or live in very cold places where it's not uncommon to lose 40% of your charge already on very cold days.

Ahhh.... but this applies to any BEV vehicle. If you charge your Mach-E, Kona, Tesla, or whatever to 100% all the time you will get slightly less battery longevity. Actually, all things equal, you get a better result with Mach-E because the buffer is bigger. Your Kona and Tesla battery take a bigger longevity hit.

 

[hybrid2bev]

I'm going to use 3.07 (270/88). ABRP currently uses 2.64.

I’m not sure that 270 is the highway speed range. I think to be safe until we get some public real world results at speed, I’m going to use the default for now.

 

[dbsb3233]

I'm going to use 3.07 (270/88). ABRP currently uses 2.64.

That should be fine for a mostly city driving route, or maybe a slower country road. But at high speeds with almost no regen (like interstates), it's likely to be worse. That's why ABRP makes that 15% adjustment.

But hopefully the MME handles high speeds better than average and doesn't lose quite that much.

 

[timbop]

This may not seem like much but losing 10% of your range is quite a big loss if you have long commutes or live in very cold places where it's not uncommon to lose 40% of your charge already on very cold days.

It's a recommendation to get the most long term usage out of your battery. Your chevy has exactly the same chemistry, and whether you know it or not has a buffer as well. They all do.

If you want to keep charging like you have been, then do so.

 

[sockmeister]

I'm also a little skeptical that these are even real numbers, the sticker is still mostly blank and maybe only based on targets.

That's exactly what I said a few posts back. I agree.
I am entirely skeptical of these numbers. Why not 269, or 271?
I'm pretty sure this is just a prelim window sticker with the targets as a placeholder.

OP hasn't revealed where he saw this either, unless I missed that.

 

[buzznwood]

1 foot difference in length. Dimensionally similar!! ?

There is less than a foot difference between the largest c-max & mach-e as there are more c-max variants than just what the USA got ?, if you stretch the wheel base to account for the batteries and increase the slope of the rear hatch of the grand c-max you have an overall silhouette similar to the original pre-mustang make over.

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

wait so we're now at this point?

hmm

 

[hybrid2bev]

That's exactly what I said a few posts back. I agree.
I am entirely skeptical of these numbers. Why not 269, or 271?
I'm pretty sure this is just a prelim window sticker with the targets as a placeholder.

OP hasn't revealed where he saw this either, unless I missed that.

As an insider (and not the source of the sticker) I feel we should respect the OPs decision not to reveal where he got non-public information.

@methorian, we know the sticker is real.

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