Mach-E EPA Ratings Revealed in Window Sticker!

[Nak]

He’s in France. Matrix headlights are model dependent and not an option on the “lower” trim iirc. Towing has a very low rating, something like 750 kg — enough for a bike rack and little else really.

I saw that, but I still don't see any pettines with Ford on these issues. The car tows what it can safely tow according to the regulations in Europe. And car companies have always reserved some options for premium models. I don't like it either, but I guess I just find it typical. At least with Ford you can order an E in Europe that has them as opposed to no availability with Tesla that I'm aware of.

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[SteveUk]

So the final official figures are

230 range for the standard and 300 for the extended model

Sounds right to me

 

[trutolife27]

Do you have a link for that, because my Model Y is still telling me 90% for day to day driving?



326...



I'm not sure the point of this statement? So far I don't see any surprises here. Both cars continue to have their strong points.



And Ford has had no recalls? Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

I get the folks who don't like the looks of a Tesla. That's totally subjective and in the eyes of the beholder. I get preferring the Mach-e over a Tesla. The Mach-e GT has some serious potential and I'm going to look very closely at trading in when I can finally look at a production model. But seriously, this having to jump on this "Teslas are crap" bandwagon whenever some news comes out you don't like is childish. Certainly there is an issue with a small number of Tesla's having build problems. I'll even stipulate that the number will be higher than that of the Mach-e. But surprisingly, My two Tesla's, along with everyone's Tesla's I personally know, have outstanding fit and finish. I'm more than happy to bet beers against anyone who wants to bring their Mach-e to compare fit and finish against my Model Y. Maybe you'll win; I'd like that actually. But I promise you your Mach-e is going to have to work for this win.

That's actually a great idea anyways. I've offered this before and no one has taken me up on it: Why doesn't someone in the Portland area getting a Mach-e plan on doing a side by side efficiency test with my Model Y Performance? My car is only rated at 280 miles of range, so it should give everyone here a great real world range comparison. The results should be pretty darned close. We can meet at a destination charger, both charge to 90% while we look at each other's cars, and then drive side by side for 30 miles at 70 mph. Then we will have a real, no-shit, range comparison. Because let's face it, "Real world" drive tests on Youtube are mostly worthless. There are way too many variables. If the test isn't side by side you can't know all the variables that were different. Plus, you want two drivers who are actually motivated to win. It's way too easy to skew the numbers on something like this.

Car forums should be fun. Excessive trash talking is simply pathetic and makes you look like you are very insecure about something. This thread is supposed to be about the Mach-e EPA range? Why does every thread like this have to devolve in to "But Teslas are crap!" Even if true, who the F%$# cares? Why the hell are people so nervous about the Mach-e that they have to constantly throw stones at Tesla? Be a little more secure in your choice of cars.

Yes, the AWD Y slaughters the AWD E in EPA range numbers. So what? First, pretty much everyone knew that going in. Second, we've pretty much established that very well might not hold up in the real world. So, this is a car forum. We have a bunch of members getting Mach-Es soon. We have at least one member with a Y. Why are people waiting for some Youtuber? Aren't we car guys??? How about we do the test ourselves instead of talking so much trash?

well.................................
The mache is compared to the model y point-blank. Same segment. Each has things that are better and things that are worse. Are far as to build quality seen both inside and out. The Mache checks that box.
Has Telsa improved? yes. Recalls everyone has them, no one is immune.
The mache is not as aero as a model the model y. Ford didn't want to go all-out aero and sacrifice looks.

Price model y long-range 50,000 Mache premium AWD EXT 53,000
model y performance 60,000 Mache GT 59,500
mius x-plan and 1,000 Incentives

That the prices for comparing the two most similar models. Now the Ford mache does have more options and different models like the select, but not comparing apples to apples then.

The Mache still has the 7,500 tax credit which is a big selling point. Can't argue that.
Where the model y gets pricey is if you don't want the plain jane white car and black intieror.
1,000 more for different paint or 2,000 for red. Interior changed to white and your another 1,000.
So a red model y with a white interior will cost 53,000.

Zero to 60 both models are the same. 4.8 and then 3.5

The main difference between the cars is the range of about 50 miles. 270 to 326 and 250 to 303.
That is an estimate and I agree we don't know the true range yet. When the Mache is out and we are driving it, then we will be able to see. We do know the Mache is holding a lot of battery reserve back, which is good on a new launch. How much more range ford will open up. Time will tell.

There will be options on both that one has and the other doesn't. Small things, that if that one thing matters to you. It might help you decide which one is best for you.

Tesla also charges faster at the DC network.

so at the end of the day price is dead equal. So the model y has a more Estimated range and faster charge.

After that really it's up to your taste in looks and what you like.

As far as this forum as bad as a tesla forum. LOL in no way comparable. It would be like being in a crowd of Tesla fans and yelling Elon sucks. pitchforks and torches. What usually happens is a few people join that are Diehard tesla fans and yap yap for a while and people just want to talk about the mache and EV talk in general.
But you get the mache doesn't the mache doesn't well it doesn't this too. No one is asking anyone to come here with that.
80% of car buying is loyal people. Chevy can come out with an EV crossover and it gets 50 more miles. Most people won't switch. They are brand loyal and that is a great thing. That is why there is such a rabid tesla fan base.

The problems that have occurred with tesla vehicles at different launches and tesla fans are like it's ok I accept it. Telsa is the young people cool in thing now. Are older people buying teslas too? yes

It's now up for the rest of all the automakers to catch ground on tesla. Because tell now they let Elon run wild with no competition in the EV world tell the last couple of years.

The main selling point of the Mache is style. People like that finally an EV with a look and not sacrifice looks just for more aero.

 

[SteveUk]

I agree, it's a looker. And I'm shallow. I'm going on looks as part of the deal.

My alternative is the kuga which I believe is called Escape in the US.

But the Kuga is very common these days and mine is going back to the leasing company soon. Looks great but wont turn heads as they will be all over the place soon.

 

[mkhuffman]

I lurked in this forum for a while before creating an account so I can post. Overall, everyone here is pretty polite and while there is some T bashing going on, it isn't bad. IMO. Anyway, I have a question and am looking for opinions.

Why is the highway range for the Mach-E AWD so much worse than the highway range for RWD?
(Related thread: https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...evealed-in-epa-emissions-certifications.1961/)

Here is my theory and would be very interested in what others think: the test cycle includes some acceleration periods, which uses both motors, drawing more power.

I am not sure that theory explains it all though. It seems to me that if you are highway cruising, the AWD car should disengage the front motor for efficiency. Then it will be drawing identical power as the RWD. The only difference in that case would be the weight of the second motor, which I expect would not have a significant impact on range.

So do you think it is purely because of acceleration, or do you think the front motor is never disengaged, or something else? Do you think in real world conditions the highway range will be similar between the RWD and AWD?

It would be very cool if Ford could allow the driver to disengage the front motor when efficiency is most important, and then engage it when AWD is needed or wanted. Or is that a feature that I missed while reading through the forum? My current crossover SUV has the ability to switch from FWD to AWD, so it isn't an unusual feature.

 

[jhalkias]

Ford decided to enter the BEV market with a car that was not just a compliance vehicle. That quote is all over the place. Many of us signed up for the Mach E because of that, and aware of the range.

All good in my book, and I am very happy I will have a FE Mach E.

The sticker lives up to the promise, and I won’t be driving around a jellybean compliance car.

 

[RonTCat]

I lurked in this forum for a while before creating an account so I can post. Overall, everyone here is pretty polite and while there is some T bashing going on, it isn't bad. IMO. Anyway, I have a question and am looking for opinions.

Why is the highway range for the Mach-E AWD so much worse than the highway range for RWD?
(Related thread: https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...evealed-in-epa-emissions-certifications.1961/)

Here is my theory and would be very interested in what others think: the test cycle includes some acceleration periods, which uses both motors, drawing more power.

I am not sure that theory explains it all though. It seems to me that if you are highway cruising, the AWD car should disengage the front motor for efficiency. Then it will be drawing identical power as the RWD. The only difference in that case would be the weight of the second motor, which I expect would not have a significant impact on range.

So do you think it is purely because of acceleration, or do you think the front motor is never disengaged, or something else? Do you think in real world conditions the highway range will be similar between the RWD and AWD?

It would be very cool if Ford could allow the driver to disengage the front motor when efficiency is most important, and then engage it when AWD is needed or wanted. Or is that a feature that I missed while reading through the forum? My current crossover SUV has the ability to switch from FWD to AWD, so it isn't an unusual feature.

Heavier, plus slightly more driveline loss. Mostly from being heavier.

 

[timbop]

Do you have a link for that, because my Model Y is still telling me 90% for day to day driving?



326...



I'm not sure the point of this statement? So far I don't see any surprises here. Both cars continue to have their strong points.



And Ford has had no recalls? Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

I get the folks who don't like the looks of a Tesla. That's totally subjective and in the eyes of the beholder. I get preferring the Mach-e over a Tesla. The Mach-e GT has some serious potential and I'm going to look very closely at trading in when I can finally look at a production model. But seriously, this having to jump on this "Teslas are crap" bandwagon whenever some news comes out you don't like is childish. Certainly there is an issue with a small number of Tesla's having build problems. I'll even stipulate that the number will be higher than that of the Mach-e. But surprisingly, My two Tesla's, along with everyone's Tesla's I personally know, have outstanding fit and finish. I'm more than happy to bet beers against anyone who wants to bring their Mach-e to compare fit and finish against my Model Y. Maybe you'll win; I'd like that actually. But I promise you your Mach-e is going to have to work for this win.

That's actually a great idea anyways. I've offered this before and no one has taken me up on it: Why doesn't someone in the Portland area getting a Mach-e plan on doing a side by side efficiency test with my Model Y Performance? My car is only rated at 280 miles of range, so it should give everyone here a great real world range comparison. The results should be pretty darned close. We can meet at a destination charger, both charge to 90% while we look at each other's cars, and then drive side by side for 30 miles at 70 mph. Then we will have a real, no-shit, range comparison. Because let's face it, "Real world" drive tests on Youtube are mostly worthless. There are way too many variables. If the test isn't side by side you can't know all the variables that were different. Plus, you want two drivers who are actually motivated to win. It's way too easy to skew the numbers on something like this.

Car forums should be fun. Excessive trash talking is simply pathetic and makes you look like you are very insecure about something. This thread is supposed to be about the Mach-e EPA range? Why does every thread like this have to devolve in to "But Teslas are crap!" Even if true, who the F%$# cares? Why the hell are people so nervous about the Mach-e that they have to constantly throw stones at Tesla? Be a little more secure in your choice of cars.

Yes, the AWD Y slaughters the AWD E in EPA range numbers. So what? First, pretty much everyone knew that going in. Second, we've pretty much established that very well might not hold up in the real world. So, this is a car forum. We have a bunch of members getting Mach-Es soon. We have at least one member with a Y. Why are people waiting for some Youtuber? Aren't we car guys??? How about we do the test ourselves instead of talking so much trash?

I agree with most of what you wrote, except that I disagree about the Tesla "bashing". The MME and MY are in exactly the same segment, and thus are direct competitors. That means comparing pros and cons of each. I'm glad that you feel your fit and finish is perfect, but whether it is deserved or not Tesla clearly has a reputation for poor quality in those areas. When a British automotive magazine goes out of its way to get expert opinions in that regard it carries some weight. Sure the incidents that you find on youtube or in the automotive press might be isolated and out of proportion, but they exist. Many of us here haven't owned a BEV before, so our only experience is what we see - and when we see that a roof comes off driving down the highway it leaves a strong negative impression. Clearly that was a one-off, but combined with lots of other stories from people who are clearly huge Tesla fans who are disheartened by their negative experiences it makes an impression.

The model Y and model 3 are generally fine cars, and like all consumer products they have things at which they are stellar, as well as warts that detract from them. The Mach E will also have warts; to expect otherwise is setting yourself up for disappointment. Nonetheless, when comparing products the warts and the great are the things you emphasize because there is no point in comparing things that are essentially a wash. You may feel that is unfairly "bashing", but that is just human nature.

As for forums, I was on a Tesla forum for a couple of hours back in August when I was still on the fence about M3 vs MME. That was a personality cult if I ever saw one. It is a shame because there was a small and rabid minority that was a little frightening. Quite honestly it pushed me back toward the MME because I had no wish to be associated with people like that.

 

[macchiaz-o]

Why is the highway range for the Mach-E AWD so much worse than the highway range for RWD?

Weight, as @RonTCat noted. And I don't believe there is any clutch. It is always in gear.

Do you think in real world conditions the highway range will be similar between the RWD and AWD?

We'll have to wait and see!

 

[timbop]

I lurked in this forum for a while before creating an account so I can post. Overall, everyone here is pretty polite and while there is some T bashing going on, it isn't bad. IMO. Anyway, I have a question and am looking for opinions.

Why is the highway range for the Mach-E AWD so much worse than the highway range for RWD?
(Related thread: https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...evealed-in-epa-emissions-certifications.1961/)

Here is my theory and would be very interested in what others think: the test cycle includes some acceleration periods, which uses both motors, drawing more power.

I am not sure that theory explains it all though. It seems to me that if you are highway cruising, the AWD car should disengage the front motor for efficiency. Then it will be drawing identical power as the RWD. The only difference in that case would be the weight of the second motor, which I expect would not have a significant impact on range.

So do you think it is purely because of acceleration, or do you think the front motor is never disengaged, or something else? Do you think in real world conditions the highway range will be similar between the RWD and AWD?

It would be very cool if Ford could allow the driver to disengage the front motor when efficiency is most important, and then engage it when AWD is needed or wanted. Or is that a feature that I missed while reading through the forum? My current crossover SUV has the ability to switch from FWD to AWD, so it isn't an unusual feature.

I'm not positive, but I think it is because the front motor is a permanent magnetic motor, therefore will always have some resistance (ie you can't completely turn it "off"). Tesla ony uses a permanent magnetic motor on the rear.

 

[DaveHsr]

I've been trying to buck the SUV moniker for a while but after my wife and I got back from the tour, she looked at me and said, "you know honey. It IS pretty SUV-ish"

Curious what about seeing the MME in person made her say so, Dave?

 

[ChasingCoral]

I lurked in this forum for a while before creating an account so I can post. Overall, everyone here is pretty polite and while there is some T bashing going on, it isn't bad. IMO. Anyway, I have a question and am looking for opinions.

Why is the highway range for the Mach-E AWD so much worse than the highway range for RWD?
(Related thread: https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...evealed-in-epa-emissions-certifications.1961/)

Here is my theory and would be very interested in what others think: the test cycle includes some acceleration periods, which uses both motors, drawing more power.

I am not sure that theory explains it all though. It seems to me that if you are highway cruising, the AWD car should disengage the front motor for efficiency. Then it will be drawing identical power as the RWD. The only difference in that case would be the weight of the second motor, which I expect would not have a significant impact on range.

So do you think it is purely because of acceleration, or do you think the front motor is never disengaged, or something else? Do you think in real world conditions the highway range will be similar between the RWD and AWD?

It would be very cool if Ford could allow the driver to disengage the front motor when efficiency is most important, and then engage it when AWD is needed or wanted. Or is that a feature that I missed while reading through the forum? My current crossover SUV has the ability to switch from FWD to AWD, so it isn't an unusual feature.

You've raised a really good question. I'm confident the weight difference doesn't account for a 10% efficiency penalty of eAWD over RWD. My guess is that disengaging the front motor wouldn't matter. The computer will optimize the use of the two motors already.

Someone here wondered why the gearing of the front motor (10.0:1) isn't optimized more for high speed vs the rear (9.05:1) allowing the Mach E to use the rear most at low speeds and acceleration, then minimizing use of the rear motor in favor of the lower power front at highway speeds. Maximizing a small motor would mean less energy use as long as the speed can be maintained by the smaller motor.

 

[timbop]

I've been trying to buck the SUV moniker for a while but after my wife and I got back from the tour, she looked at me and said, "you know honey. It IS pretty SUV-ish"

My wife drives a Durango (she's had 3) and I drive a Mustang coupe (I've also had 3), and she too felt it was a small SUV - but I think she just said that to get a rise out of me. I insist it is a crossover. Not that it means anything to you or your wife

 

[dbsb3233]

You've raised a really good question. I'm confident the weight difference doesn't account for a 10% efficiency penalty of eAWD over RWD. My guess is that disengaging the front motor wouldn't matter. The computer will optimize the use of the two motors already.

Someone here wondered why the gearing of the front motor (10.0:1) isn't optimized more for high speed vs the rear (9.05:1) allowing the Mach E to use the rear most at low speeds and acceleration, then minimizing use of the rear motor in favor of the lower power front at highway speeds. Maximizing a small motor would mean less energy use as long as the speed can be maintained by the smaller motor.

I've mentioned that a number of times. But now I'm not so sure it would matter anyway since both motors are always engaged.

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