Would you pay for a Tesla NACS retrofit?

[locks66]

Ford is going to get screwed on this deal. They had Tesla out on a charging limb and now they have crawled out there also.

Do I wish we all started on the same charger? Absolutely.


Is NACS superior to CCS? Absolutely. The cord girth alone and the weight. It also supports a higher rate of charging. This will also help ford possibly get tesla converts who already have a tesla wall box and are used to their charging.

Edit: Not to mention the tesla option has hypothetical support for even faster charging than the current CCS standard

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[locks66]

And the converse is true as well. Ford/Tesla has not said they will provide the adaptor for free either.

What is more likely to happen I wonder?

1. Tesla deploys MagicDock to all of their V3 stations. Which opens up to all CCS drivers not just Fords.

2. Tesla/Ford provide hundreds of thousands of free adaptors to Ford customers.

3. A Tesla to CCS adaptor is made available for sale that gives Ford CCS drivers the option to use Superchargers.

4. Some combination of 1 and 3.

Edit. Sounds like Ford is going to provide the adapter.

I would guess the adapter (at least on the 2025+ model years) will be provided by ford "Free" (built into the price of the car) to ensure compliance with build back better. Plus this just makes them have a bigger charge network than anyone else out of the gate.


edit: Inflation reduction act or whatever

 

[Jimrpa]

I won't be paying anything related to brand t. If Ford does remove CCS capabilities in the future, I'll be going with a different vehicle brand for any new EVs I buy.

I’m not a big “brand t” fan but I do own an (unused, as of now) Tesla tap. As long as I’m able to get a CCS adaptor for a vehicle with a NACS port, I’m not going to lose sleep over it. I’d prefer to have access to as many charging possibilities as possible.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I’m not a big “brand t” fan but I do own an (unused, as of now) Tesla tap. As long as I’m able to get a CCS adaptor for a vehicle with a NACS port, I’m not going to lose sleep over it. I’d prefer to have access to as many charging possibilities as possible.

I totally get that. And like I said, people need to do what they need to do and I'm not telling anyone what to do nor begrudging them their needs. I have had so few problems with CCS in my long road trips that CCS is not something that is a big concern for me.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised to find my partner slips a NACS/CCS adapter into the frunk at some point because she has different range and charging concerns than I do.

For example, she's a lot less comfortable charging in the dark, back half of a Walmart lot instead of a well-lit Supercharger lot than I, so she might say, "screw you, I'm getting the adapter."

We had a Lectron J1772/NACS adapter appear in the frunk early in our ownership. I think we used it once at a free L2 charger at a hotel.

 

[Jimrpa]

Do I wish we all started on the same charger? Absolutely.


Is NACS superior to CCS? Absolutely. The cord girth alone and the weight. It also supports a higher rate of charging. This will also help ford possibly get tesla converts who already have a tesla wall box and are used to their charging.

Edit: Not to mention the tesla option has hypothetical support for even faster charging than the current CCS standard

This is going to be Betamax vs VHS all over again ?

 

[Jimrpa]

I totally get that. And like I said, people need to do what they need to do and I'm not telling anyone what to do nor begrudging them their needs. I have had so few problems with CCS in my long road trips that CCS is not something that is a big concern for me.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised to find my partner slips a NACS/CCS adapter into the frunk at some point because she has different range and charging concerns than I do.

For example, she's a lot less comfortable charging in the dark, back half of a Walmart lot instead of a well-lit Supercharger lot than I, so she might say, "screw you, I'm getting the adapter."

We had a Lectron J1772/NACS adapter appear in the frunk early in our ownership. I think we used it once at a free L2 charger at a hotel.

As much as I don’t like Elon and Tesla, I have to give it to them that they’ve done a good job with SuperCharger implementations and the ergonomics of their charging cables/adaptors are superior to the J1772/CCS standard. My only concern is how “future-proof” NACS will be? Do they have a shorter max cable length? Able to handle less power? I dunno.
imagine how much fun it’s going to be when non-contact charging rolls out! ???

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

As much as I don’t like Elon and Tesla, I have to give it to them that they’ve done a good job with SuperCharger implementations and the ergonomics of their charging cables/adaptors are superior to the J1772/CCS standard. My only concern is how “future-proof” NACS will be? Do they have a shorter max cable length? Able to handle less power? I dunno.
imagine how much fun it’s going to be when non-contact charging rolls out! ???

Part of the problem with NACS is that it's not yet been adopted by an independent standards body, so Ford is at their mercy and has ~no input into any changes that might need to be made. NACS is an available format, but it's not an "open" standard. For that to be the case, the format would have to be modifiable independent of the manufacturer. Or at least the manufacturer needs to be not the only one on a committee who gets to decide any adjustments/changes to it in the future. We'll see if that ever happens. If it does, my objection to it will be lessened, though not entirely mitigated.

The one time I used that J1772/NACS adapter it was a PITA to disconnect the adapter from the NACS plug. It was way too tight of a fit and any little bit of dirt/scratching on the plug made it difficult to use. The adapter was clean, but the NACS plug had been dropped on the ground, scratched up, etc., and it was just a little too worn to fit nicely. I almost had to tap the adapter with a blunt object to get it off.

 

[dmastro]

I'd retrofit my MME if the cost is on par with the adapter (which I can't imagine). I am wholeheartedly looking forward to that adapter, though! I'm sure I'll occasionally choose my MME over my Tesla for road trips, although the Tesla's superior EAP and faster charging will probably make it the choice most of the time.

 

[HuntingPudel]

I answered no because I don’t travel much. There are a few instances where I might want a DCFC charge, but not often. I am fine with J-1772 and CCS-1. I don’t even foresee purchasing a V3 to CCS adaptor. ?‍?

 

[Nikos]

Folks.....when I travel, I plan to make the driving experience as stress free as possible. I don't worry how I get there. The navigation systems will get you from point A to B or C or D, 99.5% of the time. With an EV though that planning gets a bit more involved. Many people do not want the additional stress/thinking while they travel.
What EA has done, at least to me, is wonder what I will encounter on my stops for charging with them. Would I find half the stations... unavailable, with low power outputs and how much more time I have to spend charging my EV.
It didn't used to be this way before.
A 350KW station, put out150-180KW and a 150KW station put out a steady 100KW. Then, EA changed their pricing, and everything changed.
No longer you get super fast charging at .36¢ from a 350 station, but we all get charged for this mediocre charging.
All of these experiences have to do about the
CHOICES we make.
It is a choice to have numerous networks to use.
It is a choice to keep doing what we are comfortable doing.
It is a choice to get an adaptor.
It is a choice to not get an adaptor.
It is a choice to pay or not to pay for a service.
It is all about the choices we will make to make our lives easier on our travels.
Now I have another network to choose from and it reliability.
One less thing to contemplate while I pay attention to what everyone on the road is doing.
It's a choice.

 

[locks66]

I would guess the adapter (at least on the 2025+ model years) will be provided by ford "Free" (built into the price of the car) to ensure compliance with build back better. Plus this just makes them have a bigger charge network than anyone else out of the gate.

This is going to be Betamax vs VHS all over again ?

I've always been confused why this is still the format war people cite when blu ray vs hddvd was much more recent.

Granted I was born in the 90s

 

[locks66]

I answered no because I don’t travel much. There are a few instances where I might want a DCFC charge, but not often. I am fine with J-1772 and CCS-1. I don’t even foresee purchasing a V3 to CCS adaptor. ?‍?

Totally valid argument. I drive 3,000 miles a month (realtor) and the savings are huge. The only time I really need it is road trips back to Illinois and the winters in MN combined with a day full of appointments

 

[locks66]

As much as I don’t like Elon and Tesla, I have to give it to them that they’ve done a good job with SuperCharger implementations and the ergonomics of their charging cables/adaptors are superior to the J1772/CCS standard. My only concern is how “future-proof” NACS will be? Do they have a shorter max cable length? Able to handle less power? I dunno.
imagine how much fun it’s going to be when non-contact charging rolls out! ???

When they released everything with this standard last year they showed it's capable of 1 mw charging. It all in around was considered a much better future proof option as people smarter than I went through it all

 

[Blue highway]

This is going to be Betamax vs VHS all over again ?

at least you don't have a Chademo car.

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