This interview with Farley literally answers every software gremlin post on this site

[DevSecOps]

1. Nobody cross-shopped an R1T vs. a Mach-E. Anecdotally, there's a ton of people who cross-shopped the Mach-E and the Model Y, and the federal tax incentive flip / Tesla price cuts get mentioned every time.

2. The lightning is a better comparison, but your Rivian "3x" figure includes the R1T Truck, R1S SUV, and Amazon delivery vehicle (https://insideevs.com/news/674941/rivian-ev-production-deliveries-2023q2/). A lot of those R1T and R1S sales were probably reservations locked in at the pre-IPO teaser price - if you order an R1T today you can get it in 2 weeks. You'll also recall that Rivian tried to hike their prices and then reneged after a massive number of folks complained / cancelled their reservations - so Rivian knows all too well that price matters also. Personally, I like the R1T but I'm not sure there will be a company around in 5 years to send an OTA.

To point 1 - I would disagree. I know of at least 5 people from this forum who ditched the MME and went to an R1S or R1T. Those are just forum members that I know of. I was also asked by forum members to make this thread comparing the two and I've received 3 DMs asking about more comparisons. There's also this thread and this one and many posts comparing the two on Reddit. I would however agree that car v car is more likely. What causes me to respond to your posts, that you've done twice, is your use of exclusive words - "nobody". Nobody, in your mind maybe... but that's not reality. That's been my point all along with every post I've made in this thread. Some people do things that, wait for it, you don't do and some people like things, that you don't like - the nerve of those people, I know.

The MachE on the other hand is down in sales, so is Ford's EV line in general. If we want to say that people are cross shopping with Tesla, as you claim, then is it just price? I'm not claiming that because people have money, they want to spend it. No one is saying that. Price always plays a roll in people's mind. You and others are saying that technology plays no role, because it's a bunch of retired people who don't care about PaaK. Based on this forum PaaK is extremely popular. Based on this forum 90% of the community wants something à la "Sentry Mode". Based on this forum people want better charging. Tesla has a lot of compelling factors over the MME, price being one of those, yes. But to claim that price alone is what is hurting the MME is misguided in my opinion. People will pay for what they want. If a company makes a compelling vehicle people will buy it. The F150 Lightning (60k base) vs Rivian (90k base) example is exactly my point.

To point 2 - You're conflating Q2 numbers with 2023 numbers. Ford has sold 8757 Lightnings in 2023. Rivian has sold 16,452 R1Ts, alone, in 2023. This is why I said 2023, not Q2. So, realistically, my bad, it's 2x, not 3.

Yes, the price hike wasn't the greatest thing, but that was in March and their Q2 numbers outpaced expectations, which was post hike. We'll see in Q3 if that continues. It's too early to use that as a point against them because we have no data on how that changed sales. The reason people complained is because they attempted to do it retroactively. That was wrong. So they grandfathered people into those prices. If "they know all to well" they would have never raised it for Q2 and it's still there today. I personally don't think Rivian is going anywhere. My R1T is has already paid for itself 100% based on the stock doubling from my purchase at 12.30 a share. There's been nothing but positive outlooks over the last month, including exceeding sales expectations to releasing vehicles into the EU for the first time. I doubt your interested at all, but here's a great video explaining everything going on with Rivian.

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[MellowJohnny]

To paraphrase the Blue Angels, I'm Just Happy To Be Here...

I'm just having fun watching all of this - the transition to EVs - unfold. It's fun to be a part of it. Maybe my perspective is a bit different, but I like watching the industry heave and awkwardly lurch forward. It's fascinating to see how each car company reacts - what they build, how they build it, society's reaction to it, it's all fascinating.

All I know for sure is my kids' experiences with their EVs will be much, much different than mine. "Hey Grandpa - it took you *how long* to charge your car?!? No way!" or "Hey Grandpa, tells about the time you needed to charge your car and none of the chargers worked..."

So for now, I'm just happy to be here...

 

[eleven24]

Listening to Farley talk about how the gen2 Ford EV's will have Ford completely write the software for the electrical architecture would lead me to believe the gen2 MME will have more issues than the gen1 MME. Especially when Farley keeps emphasizing how "software is something we've never done before"

Glad I just took delivery of a 2023 gen1 and looking forward to where gen3 ends up.

 

[MacherAWD]

Listening to Farley talk about how the gen2 Ford EV's will have Ford completely write the software for the electrical architecture would lead me to believe the gen2 MME will have more issues than the gen1 MME. Especially when Farley keeps emphasizing how "software is something we've never done before"

Glad I just took delivery of a 2023 gen1 and looking forward to where gen3 ends up.

I agree, I would avoid the refresh and wait for Gen 3. I worked for a software company that strung together a whole bunch of other products. We were cheaper, more reliable, and faster then the competition. The entire time I was there we were "trying to do it all inhouse, from the ground up" that project was 7 years in and still barely moving along.

 

[GreaseMonkey]

Listening to Farley talk about how the gen2 Ford EV's will have Ford completely write the software for the electrical architecture would lead me to believe the gen2 MME will have more issues than the gen1 MME. Especially when Farley keeps emphasizing how "software is something we've never done before"

Glad I just took delivery of a 2023 gen1 and looking forward to where gen3 ends up.

Spot on. What he said in this and other interviews I’ve watched does not inspire confidence.

I would watch how GM and Nissan perform on their upcoming Gen 2 EVs as a leading indicator for how well a legacy will do with the transition to in-house SW development.

 

[Scarpia]

You do realize that the MachE is the ONLY EV to lose Consumer Reports Recommendation due to poor reliability correct?

No, not correct. In that particular year it was true, but the Model S was CR's highest-rated car ever, and it lost its recommendation - because of reliability:
Tesla plunges seven spots in annual Consumer Reports ranking

In any event, my post simply reflected my personal experience with my car. Way too much silly arguing in this thread, see ya.

 

[RT1 MME266]

Beside vendors, labors, there is another important item not mentioned: Ford Dealerships. Ford needs to push very hard to bring these dealership into value added side of the equation. EV cars can literary be dropped on your driveway, all the options are pre-ordered. Most financing can be done online, what's the role of dealerships during the transaction? They are somehow helpful with scheduling the staging the car. But they are also a pain because they want sell extras and financing. The experience I had saying No, No and No to those, and explaining I don't need (why I need explain) them is such bad experience. What we need dealership with good repair and body work in case of accident. Able to secure parts and do good repair work to get the vehicle back on the road. DC Fast chargers should be available in all Ford EV dealers in network.

 

[prinx]

the car is very buggy, but it doenst stop my enjoyment as i know the car will update and fix itself.

however, i do understand people who want a perfect car. its like if the accord reset itself every time we turned it on/off.

 

[Jimmy2]

I enjoyed the interview. I believe Jim Farley is the right person for Ford at the right time. I'm most impressed by his vision. Now if Ford can find other visionaries to help him, someone like an Elon Jr. He said its like a baseball game and we are only in the second inning. Going forward, Ford plans moving as much module production as they can in house, which of course will be a huge undertaking it terms of manpower and cost. Most interesting, he said the competition is not GM or VW, rather the competition is/will be Tesla and the China companies. And the new LFP battery technology is a guaranteed shift, simply because its cheaper with superior thermal and charging characteristics. I wonder how long it takes Ford to get to the top of the third?

 

[leehinde]

I’m specifically interested in Kia / Hyundai and VW cause they have sold similar EVs and have similar supply chains.

The ID4 was where I started my electric car search. I bailed on it because of the software issues. I haven't read that they're resolved, but I could have missed that.

 

[Jppumper]

A very enjoyable video. The F-150 story about the ability to run a home for 3-days being an afterthought was amazing.

 

[cvk71]

Absolutely! You’ve been repeatedly emphatic about your efforts! It sort of saddens me that you’re throwing in the towel. I totally understand why!
I tend to ignore all of the personal attacks that go on around here (but after many years of the Delta and Marriott forums on FlyerTalk, I’m somewhat inured to them and able to focus on valuable content. This place is a kids playground compared to the arrogance and pompous morons over there ?)
Anyway, my gameplan is to reassess when V2 comes out. The BMW i4 was pretty compelling, but the AWD price point is … painful. If Hyundai/Kia had better ADAS, I might consider them (but come on - no frunk?! ?)

I just drove the i4 at the electrify expo, along with a lot of other ev's, and it was the only one that made me think about selling my Mach E. That was in my price range anyway.

 

[Jimrpa]

I just drove the i4 at the electrify expo, along with a lot of other ev's, and it was the only one that made me think about selling my Mach E. That was in my price range anyway.

I’ve heard horror stories about the id.4 - particularly software. And the screens are tiny.

 

[AlbaOH]

Does anyone here have a 2023? I had only read all good things and positive reviews when I ordered mine but this forum is freaking me out. At this point I love my 2023 Mach E, but I’m only one month in. I am semi-retired (with no walker or oxygen tank, btw), will only charge at home so do not need to worry about that larger charging network update, and figured out the trick to opening the hatch (with no help from the long thread on here about that). I registered here with the intent on learning more but I think maybe it’s just a place to post complaints?

In truth my Audi did some of the same “weird” things that my Mach E does, which frustrated the heck out of me. Now I’m thinking perhaps I just didn’t take the time to learn the nuances of it.

 

[Hammered]

I was sold a car with PaaK, it should work. If Ford thought it was so hard, they shouldn't have offered it. I would have never expected it.

PaaK works though?

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