Darren Palmer: 5-second limit on full power acceleration will be "changed"

[Mach1E]

Mr Palmer, if you are reading this thread, please consider 10 seconds as the new number. I have a 2023 GTPE after owning a 2021 Premium Extended Range. Totally improved! My request as mentioned previously is an action that is competitively-based. My friend just bought a 2023 GV70 Electrified. His 0-60 with the 10 second Boost button pushed is 3.8. Mine is 3.5. Perfect. BUT his Quarter Mile number is 12.2, mine 12.6. Would 10 seconds give me a 12.2? Let's give it a go! Thank you, and Mr Farley, for believing and implementing a super car with 4-doors for us regular folk.

No! You’re asking for too little!

10 seconds is fine and good, but we ALSO want (in our list of demands).

More horsepower unlocked.

And the 3rd request, much LESS of a power drop when off boost. This actually may be the MOST important thing!

The GV70 difference between “boost mode” and off boost is only 54 hp.

If we only lost 54 hp off boost, I could actually live with the 5 seconds (although I still want more). Instead we lose 150 hp minimum.

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[Murse-In-Airy]

@Jimrpa

And me. Darren Palmer is a lying snake that hasn’t delivered on promises made before I even bought the car. And now he’s making new promises. Don’t think I’ll be falling for that again.

I do agree with @Mach1E, If I have to pay for a performance upgrade, I’m kinda OK with that. As long as it isn’t some BS subscription. If I can unlock more HP for $1000, that isn’t any different than me adding a high flow exhaust to get more HP.

I am still pissed that the 5 second limit was swept under the rug when I bought the GT. But I bought the car knowing it existed, just not how bad it was. So that’s kind of on me but if they want to up that to 10 seconds on good faith, I’ll be thrilled.

 

[ctenidae]

All this talk about increasing HP on the GT/PE models - how about increasing some for those of us who thought 290HP (RWD) was enough? ? I guess at some point we'll be traction-limited, but it'd sure be nice to get a few more torques and HPs for us single-motor folks.

No soup for you.
Horse power is never "enough"- mo'power, mo'better!

 

[TxTom]

No! You’re asking for too little!

10 seconds is fine and good, but we ALSO want (in our list of demands).

More horsepower unlocked.

And the 3rd request, much LESS of a power drop when off boost. This actually may be the MOST important thing!

The GV70 difference between “boost mode” and off boost is only 54 hp.

If we only lost 54 hp off boost, I could actually live with the 5 seconds (although I still want more). Instead we lose 150 hp minimum.

“
BOOST MODE
Push the possibilities of an EV with instantly responsive motors that ignite your passion for the pavement. For an immediate increase in power, engage Boost Mode, and add an additional 54 hp for a total of 483 hp and 10 seconds of acceleration.”

https://www.genesis.com/us/en/2023/genesis-electrifiedgv70/performance.html

I understand your thinking. I was just trying to make a case to be at least competitive with a new entrant. Internal at Ford, the discussion we hope should lead to the conclusion that the Mach-E GTPE should be no less than a 10 second "boost." My concern is that we may only get a 7-8 second boost.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

The only thing even if some relevance to your argument is the frunk button.

And again, most of us got it and it’s “still coming” for those who didn’t.

Screwed us over? That’s a bit extreme.

If anything, you’re missing the one obvious thing where they DID screw us over, but now are hopefully making it right……the 5 sec limit.

So if they’re fixing the one thing I really care about……… I’m happy!

I’m also cautiously optimistic, but skeptical until we see what the actual fix is.

Alright, I'll admit, I forgot about the BC situation too. There's just too many to count.

My point still stand is that I believe it when Ford delivers it. With their track records of updating the MME, I'm not too hopeful that we'll see an improvement of the 5sec limit. Look how long it took to get BC to early adopters. Or how long its taking to get BC 1.2-1.3 out to those with BC 1.0. I still haven't gotten it. Or how long it took to get the OTA HVBJB fix out once it was released.

From what other have posted about the "focus group," I'm guessing that there will be a price attached to the power bump IF Ford will even release it.

As the saying goes: Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me...

 

[Mach1E]

And me. Darren Palmer is a lying snake that hasn’t delivered on promises made before I even bought the car. And now he’s making new promises. Don’t think I’ll be falling for that again.

A few people have made this statement about Palmer, but without specifics.

Do you have examples of promises made that haven’t been delivered yet?

Or more importantly, promises made that have been broken?

It’s one thing to say “it’s coming” and be late. It’s another thing entirely to say “it’s coming” and never deliver.

Just for the record, as was posted earlier,
It was Jim Farley, not Darren Palmer who promised the frunk button. But that’s still coming (just late).

And FWIW, Ford’s timeline of “it’s coming” is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than Tesla! We wait months, they wait years and years.

 

[Mach1E]

I understand your thinking. I was just trying to make a case to be at least competitive with a new entrant. Internal at Ford, the discussion we hope should lead to the conclusion that the Mach-E GTPE should be no less than a 10 second "boost." My concern is that we may only get a 7-8 second boost.

Agreed.

But to the point of “at least being competitive,” it’s much more about the power drop off than the time limit.

Many manufacturers (even Porsche) have a timed boost mode. But NONE (except Ford) have such an extreme drop off in power.

I would still argue it’s not the time limit, but what happens after the time is up, that keeps us from being competitive.

The one advantage we do have with our boost mode is it’s “always ready” with no buttons or modes to go in.

 

[Kevin P]

I would still argue it’s not the time limit, but what happens after the time is up, that keeps us from being competitive.

The one advantage we do have with our boost mode is it’s “always ready” with no buttons or modes to go in.

Agree with both statements. if the drop-off was more like competitors, like a drop of ~50-75hp, it would be much less of an issue. But as testing and data capture has shown, it goes from 480hp to ~275hp.

 

[BigMach-E]

I don’t know what good it does to call people “liars”. I am not sure it’s even justified.

Let’s just hope that this actually is a meaningful improvement in performance, it happens sooner than later and if there is some price tag attached, it’s not significant.

Again, to those who think the folks who are excited about this news are fools or naive, let’s just wait and see.

 

[SWO]

I think 2 different things are getting mixed up in this thread.

A. Palmer's comment in the video about reducing the GT power throttling after 5 seconds and/or above a certain speed.

B. The prospect of Ford offering something like a "Performance Package" (my term, I wasn't in that focus group) that increases HP and/or torque.

I'd definitely be willing to pay for B if the price is reasonable, but nobody should have to pay for A.

 

[dtbaker61]

I totally get that many people don’t use the frunk. I suspect that’s why automakers don’t prioritize creating a frunk when they design electric vehicles.
Some people find the frunk VERY convenient for a variety of reasons previously listed (messy gear, smelly leftovers, groceries, shrimp, pizza, koi pond - the uses are endless ???
As for remote release in FordPass, try screwing around opening the car and pulling the lever if you have a bunch of groceries ???

I use my Frunk a LOT.... mostly for tools. I really don't mind that I have to open driver's door and manual pull 2x.

I actually would not want an electronic open... just for safety reasons, unless the hood hinges were on the front. I do not want ANY chance of the hood opening when I am driving if a button gets pushed and software fails. I want to keep a mechanical double-latch on a hood.

 

[Mach1E]

I use my Frunk a LOT.... mostly for tools. I really don't mind that I have to open driver's door and manual pull 2x.

I actually would not want an electronic open... just for safety reasons, unless the hood hinges were on the front. I do not want ANY chance of the hood opening when I am driving if a button gets pushed and software fails. I want to keep a mechanical double-latch on a hood.

That’s a good point.

I actually took one of the shocks off of the trunk hinge on my last car because it kept accidentally opening from the key fob in my pocket. One night I went out, truck all the way up and it had rained! Only 1 shock mean it opened but still looked closed.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

ut that’s still coming (just late).

Maybe. And that’s a definite maybe.

 

[tannerk89]

The one advantage we do have with our boost mode is it’s “always ready” with no buttons or modes to go in.

I think I would prefer a button boost rather than a surge when it’s ready. Would feel more track focused like E-Boost in F1 with the button, or NOS.

 

[phil]

I think I would prefer a button boost rather than a surge when it’s ready. Would feel more track focused like E-Boost in F1 with the button, or NOS.

You are thinking the button would give you a boost, even when the car is not ready? I dunno how that would work.

I think an extra button would just be a nuisance.

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