Recall Information: High Voltage Battery Junction Box (23S56)

[dtbaker61]

Why would I joke? Ford and the NTSB said that only cars with larger batteries are subject to the recall, and then only those built within a specific time frame. The NTSB are in the business of covereing their own backsides so if they had evidence to support it they would have forced Ford to recall a wider range of vehicles, don't you think?

wow, no..... not what I think at all. I honestly thought you were joking.

Ford is into risk and cost management, and wrote the recall to minimize the number of vehicles needing hardware remove/replace.

NHTSA does have *some* evidence that non-GT SR vehicles have failed HVBJB... just not as many, and not caused any injuries or deaths yet. I know NHTSA has a least one complaint to this effect, because it's mine. Doesn't carry much weight though because I did not personally get stranded in a dangerous location or in bad weather.

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[mdolan92869]

Why is it that I think Ford makes posts like this just to sit back and watch the discussion.

 

[kennethjk]

wow, no..... not what I think at all. I honestly thought you were joking.

Ford is into risk and cost management, and wrote the recall to minimize the number of vehicles needing hardware remove/replace.

NHTSA does have *some* evidence that non-GT SR vehicles have failed HVBJB... just not as many, and not caused any injuries or deaths yet. I know NHTSA has a least one complaint to this effect, because it's mine. Doesn't carry much weight though because I did not personally get stranded in a dangerous location or in bad weather.

next time can you do all of us a favor and break down in a dangerous location and especially in bad weather. Its your fault Ford won’t do a total recall on all models.

I recommend that to everyone, that if you breakdown don’t do it in Beverly Hills on Rodeo drive because it’s obvious Ford doesn’t care if you do.

 

[DYohn]

You’re right, but it’s NHTSA, not NTSB.

Thank you.

 

[DYohn]

wow, no..... not what I think at all. I honestly thought you were joking.

Ford is into risk and cost management, and wrote the recall to minimize the number of vehicles needing hardware remove/replace.

NHTSA does have *some* evidence that non-GT SR vehicles have failed HVBJB... just not as many, and not caused any injuries or deaths yet. I know NHTSA has a least one complaint to this effect, because it's mine. Doesn't carry much weight though because I did not personally get stranded in a dangerous location or in bad weather.

I understand your point, and when something effects one of us personally it becomes the most important thing in the world. But one or a few failures does not a recall make, it requires something that is systemic or can be identified to a particular set of parts lots or models. And while all car companies do have to be in the risk and cost mitigation business, very few recalls are 100% "voluntary" and most are to comply with NTHSA requirements or threats of requirements (thanks to others for the agency name correction.)

So I hope your car is/was fixed, and it is entirely likely the recall may be expanded to include more models if the failure is proven to be more widespread, but right now it's not.

 

[AKgrampy]

Except of course that Ford has determined that non-GT cars with standard range batteries are not subject to this failure. There may be OTHER failures they have not detected yet of course, but not one covered by this recall.

Or it just happens at a much smaller occurrence so they are not including it. I believe the report stated 107 failures with all but 7 GT’s and ER’s. Not that it should make anyone happy - just sharing facts.

 

[AKgrampy]

wow, no..... not what I think at all. I honestly thought you were joking.

Ford is into risk and cost management, and wrote the recall to minimize the number of vehicles needing hardware remove/replace.

NHTSA does have *some* evidence that non-GT SR vehicles have failed HVBJB... just not as many, and not caused any injuries or deaths yet. I know NHTSA has a least one complaint to this effect, because it's mine. Doesn't carry much weight though because I did not personally get stranded in a dangerous location or in bad weather.

And according to the site the investigation is still open; however, I do not know what that means.

 

[MachEnthusiast]

I'm sure it's buried in the many hundreds of posts across many threads of this topic but I'm going to ask since I couldn't easily find an answer...

What does the design of the HVJB connectors look like in newer Mach-E vehicles that are not part of the recall? I see people saying the replacement parts for recall vehicles don't appear to be obviously re-engineered/designed differently. But what about those they are placing in recently-manufactured cars? Are they sufficiently different? Anyone have a picture of the newer ones?

 

[AKgrampy]

I'm sure it's buried in the many hundreds of posts across many threads of this topic but I'm going to ask since I couldn't easily find an answer...

What does the design of the HVJB connectors look like in newer Mach-E vehicles that are not part of the recall? I see people saying the replacement parts for recall vehicles don't appear to be obviously re-engineered/designed differently. But what about those they are placing in recently-manufactured cars? Are they sufficiently different? Anyone have a picture of the newer ones?

I believe the only significant difference are the contactors.

 

[Plutoman15]

My GT was built Sept 2021 but my vin says no recalls. My HVBJB was replaced in August 2023. Does that mean I have the correct replacemet for the recall?

 

[Addos]

My GT was built Sept 2021 but my vin says no recalls. My HVBJB was replaced in August 2023. Does that mean I have the correct replacemet for the recall?

Based on the letter, it sounds like the parts that will actually fix the problem haven't been produced yet. At least that is how I am reading it? So you may still have to have it done yet again, to replace it with whatever actually hopefully fixes it. But maybe I'm wrong, and you got lucky with a part that actually fixed the issue.

 

[AKgrampy]

My GT was built Sept 2021 but my vin says no recalls. My HVBJB was replaced in August 2023. Does that mean I have the correct replacemet for the recall?

That is what appears to be the case as many forum members who have had their HVBJB replaced have reported that their VIN has been removed from the recall list. But do not take this as gospel as we all have to wait and see. My thought though is for those of us whose HVBJB’s have not failed then we will get them replaced with the same part you have. If their is a new and improved part (which I doubt) then we would all get them but why would VIN’s be getting pulled and why would the recall be limited to pre May 25 2022 builds. Either way we shall see after Ford gets enough parts on hand to initiate the recall.

 

[AKgrampy]

Based on the letter, it sounds like the parts that will actually fix the problem haven't been produced yet. At least that is how I am reading it? So you may still have to have it done yet again, to replace it with whatever actually hopefully fixes it. But maybe I'm wrong, and you got lucky with a part that actually fixed the issue.

Ford had been making repairs with rebuilt HVBJB’s. They are going to do the recall with new units. So they have to get enough built before they initiate the recall. Personally, based on my reading, I believe they will be the same as the production units since May 25 2022. However, that is just an educated guess on my part and we just have to wait until they manufacture enough HVBJB’s and release the recall for scheduling to know for certain.

 

[Addos]

It is all so freaking frustrating that they can't communicate better to us what exactly is going on. Instead of us having to come to forums like this and speculate and guess. If they are pulling vins, wtf didn't they do that BEFORE they sent out letters. I mean, what exactly is Ford doing?

 

[kennethjk]

Based on the letter, it sounds like the parts that will actually fix the problem haven't been produced yet. At least that is how I am reading it? So you may still have to have it done yet again, to replace it with whatever actually hopefully fixes it. But maybe I'm wrong, and you got lucky with a part that actually fixed the issue.

my personal belief, and I have no real evidence and since it’s the internet I don’t really need evidence, is that since there have been some 2023 model year failures, I don’t think they have fully resolved the problem yet because they don’t know how to fix it.

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