Soon to be Mach-E owner, tempted to be Model Y owner

[Triggerhappy007]

That's exactly one of the reasons why the MME was more compelling. However, with the way longer delivery date on the MME, and the price reduction on stock MY (€41.000 instead of €46.000), doubt slips in...

Did you check in other large cities to see if they have similar cars available?

In the US, they aren't selling well, even with up to $10,000 off. There is an oversupply in the US.

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[DevSecOps]

Being in IT I'm definitely a technophile. I'm currently driving a 15 year old VW Passat with no infotainment at all, no special bells and whistles, so this will already be a giant leap for me. Not sure whether I will be bothered that much by things lacking in the MME.

From your perspective, apart from OTAs, what could be improved on a technological level in the MME, compared to a Tesla?

Regarding the resale value, I would expect Tesla's resale price to be low too, given the fact that they are so abundant?

Initially I think you'd be happy because you're coming from nothing, but after a while you'd probably get frustrated.

Ford has a number of bugs that they've introduced and they've resigned the UI in a way which makes no sense (i.e. using a home icon as an app drawer). If you search this forum for "drive mode not available" or interior motion sensors, just as two examples you find that they continually give us as many bugs as they try to squash. You can also find many threads on the UI. There's a lot of people who just don't care about these things because they don't know any different. That's why I said if you're a technophile, like me, you might.

In my opinion there's something special about a ground up approach to making an EV. Ford just tried to repurpose an ice vehicle technologically as an EV, and it's giving them hell. I didn't notice how bad it really was until I got my Rivian, which is similar to Tesla in that it's a ground up EV.

As for resale, all values are going down, but Tesla is the fastest and best selling used EV in the world. The MachE is almost the worst and longest to sell. Some places even refuse to buy them.

 

[socalh2oskier]

This story started two weeks ago, somewhere in Europe (Spain to be more precise):

After checking out different EV's (Tesla, Audi, Volvo, Toyota), my wife and I finally decided on the Mach-E. We both loved the design, its features and were nicely surprised by its build quality.

When we did the test drive at the dealership, they told us the expected delivery date was end November / beginning of December.
The day of the signing of the contract (just 5 days later) in all of a sudden a new delivery date popped up: January 10th.
We were told this was based on a misunderstanding between the salesperson and his boss, the beginning of December was never an option.

Quite disappointed by this, they told us this date is just an estimation and usually gets updated a few days after placing the order. With that in mind they offered us to place the order without any upfront payment until a week after, with the option to cancel it without any risk should the date remain unchanged.

A week passed and the date didn't change. Nonetheless, since we both liked the car so much, we decided to go for it. We wire transferred the upfront payment and that's that.

Until a week later, yesterday, we got a call that the delivery date was updated.
However, no reason for cheering, it was actually delayed till February 24th!! We went from end November/beginning December when we first tried the car to February 24th two weeks later. Say what?! The explanation that we got was that the car we reserved (which was already in Europe: Anterp, Belgium) was probably assigned to another dealership as we didn't do the upfront payment (they offered that...). As no more models with our configuration are in stock in Europe, the next available one has to be shipped from Mexico.

Now we are seriously thinking of cancelling the order and going for our second option: the Tesla model Y.
Currently the model Y has a discount on stock models of 5000 euros, lowering the price to 41.000 euros, delivered in 3 weeks, as opposed to the Mach-E which goes for 49.000 euros (select trim, tech pack, sun roof and carbonized grey), to be delivered February 24th.

I know this is not the best place to ask, but what would you guys do?

 

[joebruin77]

From your perspective, apart from OTAs, what could be improved on a technological level in the MME, compared to a

Here are some examples:

1) For me, sometimes the MME iPhone as a key works, sometimes it doesn’t. I usually take the key fob with me every drive. The Tesla iPhone as a key works flawlessly. Plus, I think the credit card style key of the Tesla is much better than a key fob. It fits in my wallet and takes up less space in my pocket.

2) I like to be able to quickly and easily adjust the amp level I am charging at. For example, if it is a hot summer day and I have the house AC running, I usually reduce my amp charge setting from 48 amps to 24 amps. I can quickly and easily do this from both the Tesla app and in the car. The MME cannot do the same, or at least when I bought mine it could not. I had to buy a second EVSE that I could adjust the amps with to have the same capability.

3) The charge schedule and charge limit simply have not been reliable in the MME. Even though I set the charge schedule and the charge limit, several times the MME has not charged according to the schedule I set and also several times it charged past my set charge percentage limit all the way up to 100%.

4) Although the MME has Appel CarPlay and the Tesla does not, I do not miss it in the Tesla. The Tesla native navigation is so good I do not need Apple Maps. And between Spotify and Apple Music, all my music needs in the Tesla are met.

5) I realize you said road trips are not as much of a concern for you, but even if you go on just one or two road trips a year, the Tesla experience is so much better. From either your app or the car's screen, you can see all Supercharger locations and, in real time, you see how many spots are open and available. Again, this will improve in 2024 for the MME when some Superchargers are open, but here in California, I read that the most popular and often used Superchargers will remain Tesla-access only.

6) If you are an audiophile, the Tesla premium sound system is noticeably better than the B and O premium system in the MME.

7) As for the power train, Tesla has over 10 years experience building their own electric motors and batteries. Ford simply doesn't have that much experience and corresponding data. After reading stories on this forum about HVJB failures, I have been a bit hesitant to drive our MME GT in a sporty, aggressive fashion, which kind of defeats the purpose of having a GTPE. I have no such qualms about gunning my Tesla on a regular basis.

 

[Teslaeata]

This story started two weeks ago, somewhere in Europe (Spain to be more precise):

After checking out different EV's (Tesla, Audi, Volvo, Toyota), my wife and I finally decided on the Mach-E. We both loved the design, its features and were nicely surprised by its build quality.

When we did the test drive at the dealership, they told us the expected delivery date was end November / beginning of December.
The day of the signing of the contract (just 5 days later) in all of a sudden a new delivery date popped up: January 10th.
We were told this was based on a misunderstanding between the salesperson and his boss, the beginning of December was never an option.

Quite disappointed by this, they told us this date is just an estimation and usually gets updated a few days after placing the order. With that in mind they offered us to place the order without any upfront payment until a week after, with the option to cancel it without any risk should the date remain unchanged.

A week passed and the date didn't change. Nonetheless, since we both liked the car so much, we decided to go for it. We wire transferred the upfront payment and that's that.

Until a week later, yesterday, we got a call that the delivery date was updated.
However, no reason for cheering, it was actually delayed till February 24th!! We went from end November/beginning December when we first tried the car to February 24th two weeks later. Say what?! The explanation that we got was that the car we reserved (which was already in Europe: Anterp, Belgium) was probably assigned to another dealership as we didn't do the upfront payment (they offered that...). As no more models with our configuration are in stock in Europe, the next available one has to be shipped from Mexico.

Now we are seriously thinking of cancelling the order and going for our second option: the Tesla model Y.
Currently the model Y has a discount on stock models of 5000 euros, lowering the price to 41.000 euros, delivered in 3 weeks, as opposed to the Mach-E which goes for 49.000 euros (select trim, tech pack, sun roof and carbonized grey), to be delivered February 24th.

I know this is not the best place to ask, but what would you guys do?

At the risk of stating the bleedin’ obvious, of course it’s your choice.

If it were me, even after more than 2 yrs and 70,000 in an MME with which I am more than happy, delighted in fact, I’d wait for the MME, I waited 15 months, unless you really need another car immediately in which case it’s the Tesla if there’s nothing else in the market place that floats your boat.

However, whatever your choice, please enjoy your new car, whatever you choose and try to avoid looking back and going over your decision?

 

[Pieter]

Still, today, BEVs are already very good and completely practical for a larger number of people. I'm not sure I'd say fear of missing out (FOMO) on the next best thing is a reason to wait.

I think you probably hit the nail there. FOMO, waiting for a car that won't be delivered till 4 months from now, and in the meantime Tesla may present the new MY.

I'll definitely keep you guys updated with what our final decision will be. I'm really grateful for all the good feedback I'm getting. Kindly surprised by the nice MME community, I wouldn't want to miss out on that either ?

 

[Pieter]

Here are some examples:

1) For me, sometimes the MME iPhone as a key works, sometimes it doesn’t. I usually take the key fob with me every drive. The Tesla iPhone as a key works flawlessly. Plus, I think the credit card style key of the Tesla is much better than a key fob. It fits in my wallet and takes up less space in my pocket.

Point 1 would definitely bother me a lot. Having to always carry the key fob because the PAAK fails now and then would be very lame.
The other points, except for the 7th, I can live with. The charger that I plan on installing comes with all those nice feature, fully controllable from the app.

 

[Pieter]

Did you check in other large cities to see if they have similar cars available?

In the US, they aren't selling well, even with up to $10,000 off. There is an oversupply in the US.

We got a €9000 discount on the official sale price. Honestly there aren't much vehicles on stock available in Europe. Not sure whether they aren't sold enough over here (haven't seen a single one where I live), or for other reasons...

 

[Pieter]

Initially I think you'd be happy because you're coming from nothing, but after a while you'd probably get frustrated.

Ford has a number of bugs that they've introduced and they've resigned the UI in a way which makes no sense (i.e. using a home icon as an app drawer). If you search this forum for "drive mode not available" or interior motion sensors, just as two examples you find that they continually give us as many bugs as they try to squash. You can also find many threads on the UI. There's a lot of people who just don't care about these things because they don't know any different. That's why I said if you're a technophile, like me, you might.

You may indeed be right
However, on the other hand I think I may also be bothered by some Tesla stuff, such as phantom breaking, their totally inaccurate Tesla Vision for parking (what manufacturer replaces a working system based on sensors by a system that's totally crap?).
The lack of turn signal stalks or center console/head-up display, just to name a few.

 

[silverelan]

The Model Y is popular for a reason. It also means that they’re very common so there’s nothing special about a Tesla.

Is the reason your order is delayed is because your dealer is getting a 2024 vehicle and not a 2023? If so, the 2024 is anticipated to be a mid-cycle refresh with some good improvements to things such as charging times.

I’ve had my MME for two years and have nothing to complain about that I wasn’t already aware of before I bought it.

 

[DevSecOps]

You may indeed be right
However, on the other hand I think I may also be bothered by some Tesla stuff, such as phantom breaking, their totally inaccurate Tesla Vision for parking (what manufacturer replaces a working system based on sensors by a system that's totally crap?).
The lack of turn signal stalks or center console/head-up display, just to name a few.

Those are all valid points, but there's a big difference. The items you list are things you adapt to. Phantom braking, being the exception, is not just with Tesla, it's been on all of my SQ5's going back 10 years as well. It's a common problem with the technology as a whole. Even the MachE has phantom braking at times, albeit not as often as it's reported with Tesla.

The things that drive me nuts about the MachE technologically are things that I just can't get used to. PaaK locks your doors 1/2 of the time, but not all the time. Drive mode not available is a safety issue. Phone call static or the other party completely unable to hear me is extremely frustrating. Navigation that doesn't work reliably anymore because the names of streets are now dots is infuriating. Unable to charge the car reliably because the charge port may overheat. Out of those items that I just listed none of them came with the car, Ford introduced them in updates.

 

[Pieter]

Is the reason your order is delayed is because your dealer is getting a 2024 vehicle and not a 2023? If so, the 2024 is anticipated to be a mid-cycle refresh with some good improvements to things such as charging times.

Not at all, our car was just assigned to another dealership, and there are none available in stock anymore.
I thought the 2024 update was still several months away. Do you have more info on the due date and which enhancements it includes? Well worth waiting for them?

 

[Pieter]

The things that drive me nuts about the MachE technologically are things that I just can't get used to. PaaK locks your doors 1/2 of the time, but not all the time. Drive mode not available is a safety issue. Phone call static or the other party completely unable to hear me is extremely frustrating. Navigation that doesn't work reliably anymore because the names of streets are now dots is infuriating. Unable to charge the car reliably because the charge port may overheat. Out of those items that I just listed none of them came with the car, Ford introduced them in updates.

Drive mode is indeed worrying and would drive me nuts too. To be honest I hadn't heard/read about this before. Has this been acknowledged by Ford? I just read this started when 4.1.2 came out, has anything changed since then?

Then again, not everyone is affected by it? Several others just love their MME. I can't imagine loving a car when shit like this happens a few times a week

 

[DevSecOps]

Drive mode is indeed worrying and would drive me nuts too. To be honest I hadn't heard/read about this before. Has this been acknowledged by Ford? I just read this started when 4.1.2 came out, has anything changed since then?

Then again, not everyone is affected by it? Several others just love their MME. I can't imagine loving a car when shit like this happens a few times a week

Ford has acknowledged it, but in typical Ford fashion it takes forever to get anything resolved.

Yes, on a Ford forum, dedicated to the MachE, you're going to get a lot of people who love the car. There's a lot of people here who don't care about the technology. The UI doesn't bother them because they don't know any better. And there's a lot of people who just drive the car and sweep their problems under the rug.

The MachE is a decent vehicle, but I don't think it's worth the purchase price given the other options on the market right now that are far superior technologically. I, personally, don't care about panel gaps etc as much as I do the technology I'm engaged with throughout my drive.

 

[Pieter]

The MachE is a decent vehicle, but I don't think it's worth the purchase price given the other options on the market right now that are far superior technologically. I, personally, don't care about panel gaps etc as much as I do the technology I'm engaged with throughout my drive.

Thanks again for your valuable feedback.
I'm pretty sure my wife will love the MME as she is totally not into tech, and values having an instrument cluster and signal stalks far more than fancy software.

Tesla model 3 was always a no-go for her as she doesn't want a sedan, not even a BMW or Mercedes. However, earlier she tried to find a middle way here; get the new Tesla model 3 have me make a promise that we will switch to a SUV in 4 years when the EV market probably has settled by then.

I would go for it, but on the other hand I'm more inclined to stick with the MME as I she wouldn't value the Tesla technology anyways, and would probably complain all the time about the missing instrument cluster and signal stalks :-D. I guess I have some though decision making days ahead.

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