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I see it too. Main problem is 12V doesn't get enough charging time on some vehicles due to short/infrequent use and/or excessive drains. That's the root cause.
Plus Ford's asinine 12V charging logic for the Mach-E. Which they could fix in an OTA software update.
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4.2.1 received on November 17, and that was the end of it.

I'm reading all this OTA stuff with interest, but since there's nothing actually wrong with my GTPE, I'm not in a rush.

However, I did fall for that "change it by one minute" thing and I'll be heading to the garage momentarily to give that a try.

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My car crapped out on the 6.4 update twice. Once about 3 weeks ago and then last night. All conditions were met! At least I think so
 

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Update. I went out to my car. The battery light was red. I set to install now and it was successful!! Now I hope 6.4 doesn’t break something !! No BC 1.3
 
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6.6.0 installed last night, what's next ?
don't see any change other than it turned my
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Because there is a problem with the headlight switch that causes the headlights to stay on while parked. Ford released a new headlight switch to fix this issue. You shouldn't have to turn the headlights off, that extra step was imposed by the headlight bug.

It will also drain your 12V battery when the headlights stay on, causing a more difficult time passing 12V charge requirements as well.
The headlights generally work as they are supposed to. I have had it switch from AUTO to ON sometimes. I'll talk to my dealer.
 

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Failed due to low 12V battery. It was only at 65%.
I still can't believe how bad Ford engineers are. I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

THE COMPUTER THAT WANTS THE 12V BATTERY FULLY CHARGED IS THE EXACT SAME DAMN COMPUTER THAT CONTROLS WHEN TO CHARGE THE 12V BATTERY! WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR, CHARGE THE BATTERY AND GET ON WITH IT!
 

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I still can't believe how bad Ford engineers are. I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

THE COMPUTER THAT WANTS THE 12V BATTERY FULLY CHARGED IS THE EXACT SAME DAMN COMPUTER THAT CONTROLS WHEN TO CHARGE THE 12V BATTERY! WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR, CHARGE THE BATTERY AND GET ON WITH IT!
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Mostly because there is no way, in the current vehicle architecture, to turn off individual modules like the BCM, APIM, etc. It's all or nothing, you wake one to do an LVB charge, you wake all. It's a problem that can't be solved with a software update, it's a legacy hardware design issue.

So you basically have the car completely powered on when charging the LVB. This is a substantial drain, and you wouldn't want your car live for a few hours doing nothing but charging the LVB. If you did, the next forum topic would be "Why did my car lose 5% charge just sitting doing nothing?"

So when you are driving, LVB charging is just a small "other" HV battery drain. If you are charging, it's just an inconsequential redirect of power.
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So Ford Engineering/Jimmy Farley knows they have this problem, what do they do?
1) Start planning next generation hardware/software architecture (done, FNV4)
2) Hire someone to lead next gen arch team (done, Doug Field)
3) Hire software developers to build next gen arch (done)
4) Build next gen arch (almost done)
5) Install in super fantastically awesome new BEV vehicle (wait about two years)
 

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From the top brass at Ford @RonTCat
I don't save power when gaming and do not care if my car is sucking power when on L2. Problem solved. Fire up the whole car as it sits there in silence sucking minimum power and updates itself. I am sure that would not bring down the grid and is pretty inconsequential also. Question is why would they be scared of firing it up once in a while to maintain itself? It does when really cold "now" (auto preparing to drive). It does not need to be only when driving or charging that is just strange logic?

I still can't believe how bad Ford engineers are. I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

THE COMPUTER THAT WANTS THE 12V BATTERY FULLY CHARGED IS THE EXACT SAME DAMN COMPUTER THAT CONTROLS WHEN TO CHARGE THE 12V BATTERY! WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR, CHARGE THE BATTERY AND GET ON WITH IT!
Close those contacts and run off the power supply (big battery) to install ;)
 

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Mostly because there is no way, in the current vehicle architecture, to turn off individual modules like the BCM, APIM, etc. It's all or nothing, you wake one to do an LVB charge, you wake all. It's a problem that can't be solved with a software update, it's a legacy hardware design issue.
The fact that they designed around this legacy problem just reinforces my belief that they suck at their job. "Hey, Bob, this legacy design is going to make OTA a real problem that will be impossible to fix later. Should we fix it now, or wait several years down the road and make customers with the current cars stuck with this un-fixable flaw?"
So you basically have the car completely powered on when charging the LVB. This is a substantial drain, and you wouldn't want your car live for a few hours doing nothing but charging the LVB. If you did, the next forum topic would be "Why did my car lose 5% charge just sitting doing nothing?"
You could EASILY put a message in the update process that x% of the HVB may be drained during an update if that is an issue. But Ford has an aversion to giving us any info about what our car is doing. My last few updates have taken weeks to 'complete', but I have no idea why. All my screen says is 'update not complete'. It won't even tell me if this is an issue or not. And don't get me started on the fact that it's 2023 and my EV won't tell me what speed it is charging at...
So when you are driving, LVB charging is just a small "other" HV battery drain. If you are charging, it's just an inconsequential redirect of power.
But then why isn't it charging enough to get the update done? If an update is pending, then make sure the 12v is at or near topped off, so that when you DO start the update at night, you won't need to charge for very long (if at all) to get the 12v to the minimum needed. And you can even set some minimum 12v level and HVB level before such a charging/update process starts if they are worried about a drain on the HVB.

But given how many people have wound up with problems with discharged/dead 12V batteries, it's my belief that Ford doesn't know how to properly charge the 12V off of a HVB, and I think that makes them scared to death to do anything about this issue.
 

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Plus Ford's asinine 12V charging logic for the Mach-E. Which they could fix in an OTA software update.
It really has no possible excuse, I’ve discussed it here before as well with @Mach-Lee and others and no one has provided a real reason. The battery is very tiny, it truly boggles the mind that they choose to not keep it topped off while *plugged in*, which currently leaves owners unable to get into their car when it gets too low.

If we take a step back and think, right, it seems like a design flaw if the car is plugged in to 240V/40A AC and a battery in the vehicle (which we all agree should be charged) is so low that you can’t even open the doors. Tell me that it wasn’t charging long enough, ok, the point is to charge the LVB to 90%, even if the HVB has decided to stop charging.
 
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It really has no possible excuse, I’ve discussed it here before as well with Mach-Lee and others. The battery is very tiny, it truly boggles the mind that they choose to not keep it topped off while plugged in, which currently leaves owners unable to get into their car when it gets too low.
Yes, it could be topped up more often with minimal drain from the high voltage battery. The idle draw of the Mach-E to keep the modules awake is only 300W, if the car woke up for an hour a day to charge the 12V battery from 50% to 90%, it would only take 300+180 = 480 Wh or about 0.5% of the HVB. Ron's figure of 5% is 10x overstated.
 

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