Would you pay $3000 for a NACS retrofit?

[tuminatr]

Ok, this is just wishful thinking on my part but a very interesting video about the Lightning being shipped with the US-specific CCS port and being converted to be compatible with the Euro charging standard. Makes me believe that this is possible to convert the CCS to NACS however I highly doubt Ford would offer this as an update.

Update: it is to early to tell if this would be possible likely it won't be. It's much more complicated than ccs1 to ccs2. It will be interesting to see what Ford's solution is for converting to NACS.

Thanks every for indulging my speculation

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[tbrumleve]

Why, when an adapter is cheaper?

 

[tuminatr]

Yes, an adapter would be cheaper.

Consider that Ford announced a new charger for 2024 with the Rally that improves charging speed. If there is a speed advantage is something we won't know until the NACS native MME is announced next year. The second reason would be resale value and ease of use.

As NACS becomes the standard most people won't want a car that requires an adapter to charge.

 

[Aubury]

CCS1 and CCS2 (US and EU) are very similar. NACS is a little different because the power pins are shared between AC and DC charging. You need additional hardware and software that disconnects the onboard charger and connects the battery to the power pins on the port for a DC fast charging session.

 

[AhardFSU]

Yes, an adapter would be cheaper.

Consider that Ford announced a new charger for 2024 with the Rally that improves charging speed. If there is a speed advantage is something we won't know until the NACS native MME is announced next year. The second reason would be resale value and ease of use.

As NACS becomes the standard most people won't want a car that requires an adapter to charge.

They'll take one with an adapter if it's between paying $200 or $300 or $3k. An adapter is not really that big of an impediment.

 

[kindofblue]

Yes, an adapter would be cheaper.

Consider that Ford announced a new charger for 2024 with the Rally that improves charging speed. If there is a speed advantage is something we won't know until the NACS native MME is announced next year. The second reason would be resale value and ease of use.

As NACS becomes the standard most people won't want a car that requires an adapter to charge.

That remains to be seen but I would doubt it.

 

[BigMach-E]

I am keeping my car until it completely doesn’t work for me anymore. I use adapters all of the time in my life. And, I don’t charge on the road very often, over the past year I have DC fast charged maybe 15 times because I had to, and maybe 20 times because I wanted to. My next year of ownership I will try to take the DC fast charging down to only on road trips. Others might see the point for a NACS retrofit, but it’s not for me.

 

[SWO]

Yes, an adapter would be cheaper.

Consider that Ford announced a new charger for 2024 with the Rally that improves charging speed. If there is a speed advantage is something we won't know until the NACS native MME is announced next year. The second reason would be resale value and ease of use.

As NACS becomes the standard most people won't want a car that requires an adapter to charge.

I know the '24s appear to charge faster and there's a new (in-house?) charge port design, but I haven't seen anything correlating the two. Where have you read that?

 

[Exordium01]

If 277V L2 chargers (single phase from 480V three-phase) become common and the retrofit supports it, probably. That’s the only real electrical difference between NACS and what we have now. Otherwise, I’m fine with adapters for now.

 

[Hammered]

Unlikely to be an economical means of doing such that comes from ford. It'd need to intelligently switch the 2 primary power wires between the DCFC cables going to the HVBJB and the AC charger. Without the proper software controlling it all, the module watching the voltage on the DCFC contactors could throw a fit seeing 240ac present on the open contactors.

Assuming that the rest of the vehicle's components remain the same and a new module / cabling is added, it'd still need to be tapped into the appropriate can bus. The adapter without question is the easiest and most cost effective path. There should be adequate supply of CCS containing chargers still yet to be built making the adapters use rare for a while. Of course MMEs still suck at charging unless ford provides a better charge curve. Seems overdue at this point though given the data they already have.

 

[tuminatr]

Unlikely to be an economical means of doing such that comes from ford. It'd need to intelligently switch the 2 primary power wires between the DCFC cables going to the HVBJB and the AC charger. Without the proper software controlling it all, the module watching the voltage on the DCFC contactors could throw a fit seeing 240ac present on the open contactors.

Assuming that the rest of the vehicle's components remain the same and a new module / cabling is added, it'd still need to be tapped into the appropriate can bus. The adapter without question is the easiest and most cost effective path. There should be adequate supply of CCS containing chargers still yet to be built making the adapters use rare for a while. Of course MMEs still suck at charging unless ford provides a better charge curve. Seems overdue at this point though given the data they already have.

If you watched the video they say the software is in the charging module. Ford has a history of buying off the shelf modules and designing systems that will integrate with existing legacy architecture.

The real question would be would they do it? I think the answer is no. Like I started by saying this is wishful thinking on my part.
For the simple reason that they'd have to software support please one offs.

 

[GreaseMonkey]

Every Tesla ships with an adapter. Adapters will be a fact of life for the next 15+ years. I see zero advantage to retrofitting anything.

 

[AKgrampy]

As my dad used to answer me “not only no but hell no!”

 

[JohnFoxeSheets]

As my dad used to answer me “not only no but hell no!”

Your dad was a wise man.

 

[Hammered]

If you watched the video they say the software is in the charging module. Ford has a history of buying off the shelf modules and designing systems that will integrate with existing legacy architecture.

The real question would be would they do it? I think the answer is no. Like I started by saying this is wishful thinking on my part.
For the simple reason that they'd have to software support please one offs.

The video doesn't apply. They still use the same approach as the US CCS with different pinouts with the addition of 3 phase capability. Tesla's NACS is radically different than the others using the same power pins for AC and DCFC. I am unaware of any system on the market that can readily convert its port over to NACS without some type of switch gear to differentiate between the AC / DC coming in on the same pins.

Here's what tesla has to resort to in other markets -- all shitty designs. NACS truly has no equal.

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