How will Ford get over ‘Range Anxiety’

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Range anxiety is an EV issue not just a Mach-e issue.

Home owners can install a 220V EVSE ( electric vehicle supply equipment ). The actual charger is in the car. The EVSE is for safety and provides information to the car charger about how much current is available for the circuit it is connected to. It will not turn on the 220V for charging if a fault condition is detected. The cabling is heavy because the currents are high.

Renters may or may not have an EVSE available at their rental property. I see a lot of Nissan Leafs and Chevrolet Bolts charging at a level 3 DC fast charger facility at a local grocery store every day. That facility is always busy. Given the cost of doing this, these people must be renters because anybody that can have an EVSE would avoid the cost of level 3.

This is a consideration when buying an EV and no doubt is the reason why I occasionally see a very late model EV for sale. Level 1 charging which is at 110V is only usable if you drive less than 25 to 30 miles a day. Then you will have time to replace the miles that had been expended while parked at night.

I actually know someone who was zealous and bought an early Bolt without first installing level 2. Though the car has about a 230 mile range, the miles driven were not completely replaced each day and by the end of the week range anxiety was high. He got a level 2 EVSE and plugged it into the dryer outlet at night and he stopped complaining after that. Not sure what he did about convenience issue with sharing the dryer 220V outlet, but I bet he got a dedicated circuit installed as he says he will not go back to ICE. He is an integrated circuit designer and so he likes electrical things.

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A few years ago I had a 2013 Focus Electic when I lived in Palm Springs, CA. There was a great public, and free, charging infrastructure, and I could usually recharge the car completely over my lunch hour. I lived in a condo then and did not have a 240V option at home, and charging via a 120V outlet was painfully slow. As long as you have a 240V connection, everything should be fine.
 
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In advance of our first EV purchase, I got the 240V plug put-in my a certified electrician. It cost me less than $200.
It is a very variable number depending on lots of other variables. Mine cost $350 to install because he had to add a circuit to my electrical box and fix something else. The charger cost me $299. I stated a high number so people would be prepared. Mine was a short run, too, inside my garage.

Chargers can cost anywhere from $199 to as high as $700 or more. They can be simple or have wi-fi with ways to control them with your phone and gather data. Depends on what you want. Oh, and some need to be hardwired which would add to the installation cost.

These are for Level 2 charging at 240V.
 

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I'm curious if Ford will enabling a scheduling aspect like Tesla does so you can tell when for your car to stop charging (as to not overcharge the car every night).
 

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Make Electrify America Free/Included Nationwide for 5-8 Years from first owners. Ford should go BOLD.
 


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Make Electrify America Free/Included Nationwide for 5-8 Years from first owners. Ford should go BOLD.
I'd love to see that but since Ford doesn't own Electrify America like Tesla owns the superchargers, I think we'll see 2-3 years unlimited charging and then we're on our own after that. I think the reported number was 2 years if I recall correctly.
 

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I'd love to see that but since Ford doesn't own Electrify America like Tesla owns the superchargers, I think we'll see 2-3 years unlimited charging and then we're on our own after that. I think the reported number was 2 years if I recall correctly.
They can invest (9.9%) into Electrify America and BOOST the install base ASAP.
 

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They can invest (9.9%) into Electrify America and BOOST the install base ASAP.
I would love to see that investment. Get in sooner than later so you can soak up profits that are inevitably going to come.
 

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From the Ford web site
For the fastest possible charge at home you will want the available Ford Connected Charge Station. This is a great solution for those with longer commutes or who want to enjoy connected features. The Ford Connected Charge Station can be included with your Ford Credit financing agreement.**
To make your experience hassle-free, Ford teamed up with Amazon in the U.S. for all your installation services.
*Range and charge time based on manufacturer computer engineering simulations and EPA-estimated range calculation methodology. The charging rate decreases as battery reaches full capacity. Your results may vary based on peak charging times and battery state of charge. Actual vehicle range varies with conditions such as external elements, driving behaviors, vehicle maintenance, and lithium-ion battery age. Source for 80%: https://www.energy.gov/eere/electricvehicles/charging-home
**For Options contracts, Ford connected charging station cannot be residualized. The full purchase price must be paid within the term of the contract. Does not include installation.
 

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this also form the Ford web site
Finding a Charge is Easy
Chances are you drive within the blue areas. With over 20,000 charging stations in the U.S., a charger is likely less than 40 miles away* from you.
Using your location, check out the interactive map. To see the FordPass Charging Network charge points near you.
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Speaking from experience redoing your panel and adding a 240v 40A (32A Usable) breaker was $500. He also mounted the charger I had already bought as well. I wanted it 'hard wired'.

I get roughly 25 miles back every hour its plugged in on a Model X, a Fiat 500E, and a Bolt EV.

My only suggestion is it's going to take time for people to get over range anxiety. Also the first winter this forum will FILL with OMG WHAT IS GOING ON much like the opposite of when a NA ICE engine gets cold air and you jump in HP :)

They should educate to focus on Battery Levels, not on the estimated range. Though if Electrify America keeps putting chargers into every walmart like they are, things will improve. I think we're at a tipping point. Though right now I think they're not putting enough, it looks like they're only doing three a walmart (350kw, 150kw, and 75kw ones) which offer different speeds.

i've been on EV since Jan 2018. We replaced our last ICE car last month (Ford Expedition EL for a Tesla Model X Standard Range). While it was more money than I wanted to spend I'm also breaking even on gas cost + Loan cost (4 children, six people). The Tesla is nice, but I want competition because if you believe the internet their service experience suuuucks and repair times are super long.
 

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Speaking from experience redoing your panel and adding a 240v 40A (32A Usable) breaker was $500. He also mounted the charger I had already bought as well. I wanted it 'hard wired'.

I get roughly 25 miles back every hour its plugged in on a Model X, a Fiat 500E, and a Bolt EV.

My only suggestion is it's going to take time for people to get over range anxiety. Also the first winter this forum will FILL with OMG WHAT IS GOING ON much like the opposite of when a NA ICE engine gets cold air and you jump in HP :)

They should educate to focus on Battery Levels, not on the estimated range. Though if Electrify America keeps putting chargers into every walmart like they are, things will improve. I think we're at a tipping point. Though right now I think they're not putting enough, it looks like they're only doing three a walmart (350kw, 150kw, and 75kw ones) which offer different speeds.

i've been on EV since Jan 2018. We replaced our last ICE car last month (Ford Expedition EL for a Tesla Model X Standard Range). While it was more money than I wanted to spend I'm also breaking even on gas cost + Loan cost (4 children, six people). The Tesla is nice, but I want competition because if you believe the internet their service experience suuuucks and repair times are super long.
This is probably an ignorant question, but are you saying cold temps impact range and/or charge times?

And that’s interesting about Electrify America and Walmart. You could plug in and easily kill half an hour in a Walmart to charge while on a trip.
 

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Yes, batteries can't hold as much electricity while they are cold or hot. That's why the Nissan Leaf gets so many complaints, they don't thermally manage their batteries and 'air cool' them.

Chevy water cools/heats theirs, but heaters pull a lot more juice. Guess what we use in the winter? heaters.

For example early october was still warm when I got my X. it's a 5200 pound behemoth and I was able to get 280Wh of consumption per mile or so.

Then it dropped below 40 one night and I parked outside. Tesla limits regeneration when the batteyr is cold, so that's first ding to power is you're not regen as much. Then I turned on the heater, and then the battery heater came on as well. My 30 mile trip I was using an average of 430 Wh per mile of battery. So 2x worse. I live in NC...the further north it gets worth. Park outside, don't charge, and it's Minnesota? 900 Wh/Mi for a while isn't unheard of.

Now there are things you can do, like seat heaters. They're more energy efficient then heating air and moving it around. But your nose gets cold (tried this one day into work when it was 26 F in the morning). So you will use more electricity, and the battery stores less. So you can see easily a 25% drop in total range from a full charge. If you have a garage and the car doesn't get below freezing you'll be better off, but if you park outside and it gets <30 it's not going to be near as efficient.
 

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Yes, batteries can't hold as much electricity while they are cold or hot. That's why the Nissan Leaf gets so many complaints, they don't thermally manage their batteries and 'air cool' them.

Chevy water cools/heats theirs, but heaters pull a lot more juice. Guess what we use in the winter? heaters.

For example early october was still warm when I got my X. it's a 5200 pound behemoth and I was able to get 280Wh of consumption per mile or so.

Then it dropped below 40 one night and I parked outside. Tesla limits regeneration when the batteyr is cold, so that's first ding to power is you're not regen as much. Then I turned on the heater, and then the battery heater came on as well. My 30 mile trip I was using an average of 430 Wh per mile of battery. So 2x worse. I live in NC...the further north it gets worth. Park outside, don't charge, and it's Minnesota? 900 Wh/Mi for a while isn't unheard of.

Now there are things you can do, like seat heaters. They're more energy efficient then heating air and moving it around. But your nose gets cold (tried this one day into work when it was 26 F in the morning). So you will use more electricity, and the battery stores less. So you can see easily a 25% drop in total range from a full charge. If you have a garage and the car doesn't get below freezing you'll be better off, but if you park outside and it gets <30 it's not going to be near as efficient.
Very informative thanks for the info I'm slowly beginning to loose my EV ignorance.
 

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I'm new to the EV segment who much does it cost to charge your EV when your using a public charger.
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