New Owner - Range Questions - AWD Premium Ext.

[projet_pat]

I recently purchased a one year old 2024 AWD with the extended battery. It took a couple of weeks to figure out that you can tell a Mach E’s configuration by looking at the label on the front doors. If it says E4, it’s a dual motor. If it says E4X, it’s a dual motor with the extended battery.

The “State of Charge” YouTube video channel has a 100-0%, 70 mph test drive video on the Mach E, dual motor, extended battery. I believe they achieved 285 miles on that test drive.

So far, mine seems to be consistent with that range.

I believe the 2025 models have ditched the "X" part? At least I've seen that mentioned on some websites. I was able to confirm with Ford customer service that it is in fact extended range, but my door decal says Mach-E4.

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[SuperD]

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If you are getting a lot less then that, use the trips app to figure out where your elections are going.
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Best advice here - use the trips app to see both consumption on the trip (I like to open it and leave it running so it shows as a "box" at bottom of screen) and if you go into the app itself, where your consumption is actually being consumed (driving vs "other stuff").

This is assuming you meant "electrons" and not "elections" - not knowing where our elections are going is a valid concern for a totally different forum.

 

[ReverendPete]

I find the GOM to be pretty useful, but the issue with it is that it is presenting the expected range quite prominently right in front of you, and we seem to expect digital displays like that to be accurate. (But when was the last time you did a big OS install, or copied 1000 files on your computer, and had the "remaining time" display be accurate?)

The range of the car depends on way too many factors to be as accurate as people seem to want it to be. Your real world range depends on:

• Outside Temperature. The battery is more efficient in a certain temperature range.
• Climate Control Usage. Are you using A/C, Heat, Seat Heaters/vents, etc.
• Driving Style. Are you flooring it from a stop because it's fun, or are you driving like grandma...
• Driving Location. Are you going uphill, downhill, stopping and starting a lot, or cruising the highway at 80mph, with a headwind...

So ultimately, the computer is trying to take all these things into account when determining your available range. But there's nothing that stops any of those variables from changing during the trip, so it really can't be that accurate...

In the old ICE car days, you had a fuel tank gauge, and that was it. In more recent years, ICE cars started adding range estimates, but at least in the cars that I have owned, they were not prominently displayed, would round to the nearest 5 miles, and not update all that often. We would use it as an informational estimate, not a fact.

So if you start to think of the GOM in that way, and less like it is some absolute amount, you'll grow more comfortable with what it is telling you. And in general for most people, it really only matters when you're on a road trip. If you charge at home every night, you'll just get used to having a "full tank" every morning, and never really think about it much... The vast majority of people don't drive more than half the range of their car in any given day, and then it becomes a non-issue except for longer trips, where you have some other tools available to help you plan your trip and your charging stops ahead of time...

Congrats on the new car!

 

[Atmj]

I have a 2024 MME premium w/ ext. range NCM 91KWH battery. At 80% charge I show about 240 miles range. You should reset your estimated range on your charge screen when you get in the car.

 

[Guss-E 2021]

I'm curious why people think an EV should get the exact mileage on the sticker when it's a well-known fact that ICE vehicles don't get the exact fuel economy on the sticker either. The actual range depends on current conditions and it will probably be less than the sticker says by some amount unless you are hypermileing it.

I'm guessing that is largely psychological. For someone shopping ICE, mpg is more about cost of ownership not necessarily how far the car can go on a full tank. Why worry about how far when gas stations are both prevalent and fast? The faster the charging experience becomes and the more prevalent fast and reliable chargers also become, the less people are likely to get so fixed on range capabilities.

To the OP, I think there is a bit of "nature of the beast" (i.e. BEV ownership) that you'll have to settle into. Personally, I'd rather have to deal with longer "refueling" in exchange for all the other benefits. YMMV

 

[Sikkun]

Take any vehicle.

Drive all highway and you’ll get one estimate.
Drive all city and you’ll get a different estimate.
Drive mixed and you’ll get another.

Gas, electric, it does not matter. You have to base the estimate off something historic without knowing what you are going to do in the future.

 

[Murse-In-Airy]

But when was the last time you did a big OS install, or copied 1000 files on your computer, and had the "remaining time" display be accurate?

Love this analogy. So much nostalgia. But some of our audience here probably doesn’t remember downloading an update over a 28K modem.

You have 24 hours 31 minutes remaining…..
You have 15 hours 12 minutes remaining……
You have 8 hours 21 minutes remaining…..
You have 41 hours 34 minutes remaining…..

All within 5 minutes of each other.

 

[E90alex]

I'm curious why people think an EV should get the exact mileage on the sticker when it's a well-known fact that ICE vehicles don't get the exact fuel economy on the sticker either. The actual range depends on current conditions and it will probably be less than the sticker says by some amount unless you are hypermileing it.

At least ICE vehicles have a city/hwy/combined rating. And it’s listed as efficiency (MPG) instead of total range so people don’t really even know the rated range of an ICE vehicle.

I don’t know why for EVs they just list a total mixed range figure instead of breaking down to city/hwy. If anything companies should report just the highway range since that’s when the range matters most.

That way people will typically beat the range rating in mixed driving and will stop new EV owners from freaking out all the time because OMG the GOM estimates 5 miles less than the EPA rating is my battery fried???

 

[dan_meh]

Forget about the range estimate.

What does the trips panel say you are getting in terms of m per kwh?

I get 3.7 at 68mph on freeway rides, after the initial few miles. That lands me at about 320m per full charge. That's after 2 years of battery age. Well above epa.

If you are getting a lot less then that, use the trips app to figure out where your elections are going.

I had anxiety too. I wondered if my car was broken. I thought i might have the wrong battery. I now know that guessing gauge is the problem. Putting some tape over it and just using the percent and your own math will make you happy! It's an excellent car.

Agree! After a few months, I also learned that the m/kwh is the number that matters and the measure you can control more directly.

 

[RickMachE]

It's easy.

People are confused because, well, in general they are clueless.

 

[ChrisO]

I have a question about the m/kwh number on the Trip App. It seems to me that is more of a "current" number than a total trip accumulation number. Does anyone know for sure which it is?
For instance, I have driven say 5 miles and got 5.5 m/kwh and then stop at a light drive a block and see it drop to like 4.4 m/kwh. (No change in the way I'm driving)

 

[AKgrampy]

And I may as well throw this out there - you will see a significant drop-off in range as winter sets in. Might be in the 40% range. As the temp drops so to will the GOM reading as others have mentioned. I only bring this up because it will be quite significant in your case. (Unless ND is warmer than I imagine in the winter)

 

[RickMachE]

I have a question about the m/kwh number on the Trip App. It seems to me that is more of a "current" number than a total trip accumulation number. Does anyone know for sure which it is?
For instance, I have driven say 5 miles and got 5.5 m/kwh and then stop at a light drive a block and see it drop to like 4.4 m/kwh. (No change in the way I'm driving)

No.

This Trip is the key cycle. Power on, to power off.

 

[kdonnel]

I don’t know why for EVs they just list a total mixed range figure instead of breaking down to city/hwy. If anything companies should report just the highway range since that’s when the range matters most.

My guess is the automakers fought to only display the combined value so they don't have to show the lower highway number.

Customers would focus on the lower highway number and be turned off buying BEV.

 

[bbulkow]

I have a question about the m/kwh number on the Trip App. It seems to me that is more of a "current" number than a total trip accumulation number. Does anyone know for sure which it is?
For instance, I have driven say 5 miles and got 5.5 m/kwh and then stop at a light drive a block and see it drop to like 4.4 m/kwh. (No change in the way I'm driving)

The UI seems pretty clear that there are three tabs, one for "current trip" and the time it's using, which is since last power restart, then there are two other tabs much like the trip odometer (A and B) that's standard on different cars. Under current trip you can see the miles and time it's collected.

That being said, it always seems that number is more like the last 15 minutes than the entire trip. I suspect, for me, that's a *feeling* more than reality. I chalk it up to the amount of heating and cooling going into the battery, the amount of energy the car takes in the first short period, when I'm especially around town waiting for lights. I trust the car (kinda ) more than my own perception.

It is, essentially, a glaring omission to not have a graph or a "last 15 minutes" function. Every hybrid I've seen has the function, many ICE cars focusing on efficiency have the function. I think this was a choice from Ford to not worry our pretty little heads about details, because the MachE brand is not about economy, it's about power and speed!!!!! . I respect that, I suppose.

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