12/17 Updates Released

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This begs the question, why is Ford already fragmenting these software updates? Is there a hardware difference between Job 1 and Job 2 vehicles? It's only going to get more confusing as more job runs across model years are added to the mix.
Likely not different hardware. Just different software levels. They probably need to get the Job 1 cars up to the same level as Job 2 cars, and then can start updating things on all 21's once they are on the same levels.
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This begs the question, why is Ford already fragmenting these software updates? Is there a hardware difference between Job 1 and Job 2 vehicles? It's only going to get more confusing as more job runs across model years are added to the mix.
I am in total agreement here. The powertrain setup is different for the GTs, sure...but all other vehicles? Should be no difference.
 
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Likely not different hardware. Just different software levels. They probably need to get the Job 1 cars up to the same level as Job 2 cars, and then can start updating things on all 21's once they are on the same levels.
Yet Job 1 cars have newer software now than Job 2 cars if you get 21P22...
 

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Yet Job 1 cars have newer software now than Job 2 cars if you get 21P22...
I guess my thinking was that the software on the job 1 cars isn't quite compatible with everything needed for future updates, and they need to get those at a compatible level. Maybe not the exact same versions as job 2, but with compatibility for future updates.
 

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Yet Job 1 cars have newer software now than Job 2 cars if you get 21P22...
For some modules, but other modules (like the APIM) are still newer in Job 2 cars. Ford sure doesn't seem to be doing themselves any favors in the simplicity department.
 


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They just need to figure out how to get everything to have the same software...Packages which include all modules need to happen. Not just oh 2.1 updates the GWM but 1.4 is the TCU and 1.7.1 is the APIM oh and then 3.0 updates the PCM/SOBDMB/SOBDMC/SOBDM/ABS and 3.1.2 updates the HVAC and 3.1.3 updates the VDM but only GTPE owners get that one.

Like their numbering scheme makes no sense. Need whole versions. This fragmented updating has to stop for this to work. This isn't legacy cars anymore. I don't think they even can keep track of what car has what.
 

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They just need to figure out how to get everything to have the same software...Packages which include all modules need to happen. Not just oh 2.1 updates the GWM but 1.4 is the TCU and 1.7.1 is the APIM oh and then 3.0 updates the PCM/SOBDMB/SOBDMC/SOBDM/ABS and 3.1.2 updates the HVAC and 3.1.3 updates the VDM but only GTPE owners get that one.

Like their numbering scheme makes no sense. Need whole versions. This fragmented updating has to stop for this to work. This isn't legacy cars anymore. I don't think they even can keep track of what car has what.
Completely agree with that. Every time I am in contact with Ford about OTA's I bring up that we need some better documentation on what these updates do, and what cars should be getting them.

I'm still hopeful from talking to them that the OTA's are going to get much better. They just weren't ready for it at launch and seems like they are having a hard time getting things straightened out.
 

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Well, since my car is still at the dealer they've obliged and did all updates in FDRS... no dice. Even with the right equipment, all updates go through successfully but none clear in FDRS. Not even the "new" ABS update that replaced the old one... such a bummer, not sure what the heck is going on right now.
 

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This begs the question, why is Ford already fragmenting these software updates? Is there a hardware difference between Job 1 and Job 2 vehicles? It's only going to get more confusing as more job runs across model years are added to the mix.
What’s worse is the CSP for Job 1s leapfrogs job 2s in some functionality.
 

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They just need to figure out how to get everything to have the same software...Packages which include all modules need to happen. Not just oh 2.1 updates the GWM but 1.4 is the TCU and 1.7.1 is the APIM oh and then 3.0 updates the PCM/SOBDMB/SOBDMC/SOBDM/ABS and 3.1.2 updates the HVAC and 3.1.3 updates the VDM but only GTPE owners get that one.

Like their numbering scheme makes no sense. Need whole versions. This fragmented updating has to stop for this to work. This isn't legacy cars anymore. I don't think they even can keep track of what car has what.
I thought Ford vehicles have had programmable modules for some years now? I know MME might be more complex, but is it really that different from other recent models with programmable modules?

There is so much discussion of F-150 programming; how did they do version control for the F-150?
 

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I thought Ford vehicles have had programmable modules for some years now? I know MME might be more complex, but is it really that different from other recent models with programmable modules?

There is so much discussion of F-150 programming; how did they do version control for the F-150?
Its no different at all. But on older cars, once it left the factory, it didn't get module updates unless you had a specific issue that had a documented fix by an update. And even then, it wasn't update to a certain version, They just update to whatever is current.
 
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I thought Ford vehicles have had programmable modules for some years now? I know MME might be more complex, but is it really that different from other recent models with programmable modules?

There is so much discussion of F-150 programming; how did they do version control for the F-150?
They do the same thing on the 2021 F150.

Yes they've had programmable modules for a long time now. Really long time. My point was now that the customer sees this and sees the improvements they have to version it right. Before the customer didn't see it unless there was an incremental update to fix a problem which we've seen here and there you go to your dealer for.
 

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Does anyone know anything about the pinout of the USB-A to USB-A cable for the APIM firmware recovery?
I know with Fastboot recovery for tablets and phones you ground the positive to pin 4 of the micro-USB connector.
USB-A does not have a 5th pin to use and just fusing 2 cables together will cause a short.
I generally like to make all of my own stuff. Any insight on the cable would be very helpful
 

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I built my own one initially. I just chopped 2 (4 wire) USB As and joined the colours. It worked fine. I then bought a proper one from Amazon.

I used my home built one to update Sync on a C-Max (CE based sync)
 

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I built my own one initially. I just chopped 2 (4 wire) USB As and joined the colours. It worked fine. I then bought a proper one from Amazon.

I used my home built one to update Sync on a C-Max (CE based sync)
Right, but, is "recover the SNYC image software" a normal update of sorts, or is this a specialized repair procedure, not for normal update use?
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