2021 Mach-E won't get 2022 usable Battery Increase

[Av8tor]

I just think Ford oversold the OTA as a feature. So far it really hasn't done much. I guess there is still time for that to happen if they decide to get moving on it.

OTA is hard, Tesla has 10 years to figure it out, and they had many bumps in the road. For the early MME builds, some of the components OTA functionality might not be turned on yet. Darren indicated this in his interview.

• There's securing the OTA's,
• creating an update cycle that does not confuse the car components when something reboots, I've seen folks that have seen this, errors one day, and then after 3 days they went away..
• update recovery some have dual firmware, incase an update fails
• interrupted OTA delivery, software downloads
• Queuing downloads
• Prioritize updates, which ones are critical
• update order of the components, some must be update prior to others
• logging all updates for diagnostics
• Update timing, don't want this to happen right before you leave for work
• Testing / Testing / and more testing
• Testing when 1 component does not update out of 3, all while making sure the car continues to function normally
• the list goes on and on.

OTA is what we expect today, Apple, Google, Tesla have taken years to perfect. Ford will get there, they have to. It will be a little rocky for a few years as they work this out, build the OTA infrastructure. They will make a few mistakes along the way and have to fix them; it's how they will evolve.

Just remember, in the early days Apple has bricked phones with OTA's, Google has bricked phones with OTA's, Tesla has bricked cars with OTA's, in fact Tesla has a class action lawsuit over OTA updates taking range away.

Ford, has to be conservative in their OTA updates because they are late in the game, they are learning, and the competition has it down to a science. They can't make the mistakes Apple, Google, Tesla have made in the past.

Sometimes it's good to root for the underdog.

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[timbop]

But but but this is the way it has always been done.

Bolt example: I had a 2018 Bolt, in 2019 they changed the software to allow you to set the % charged to. GM publicly said that they were not going to update the 2018's with the same software (granted this isn't via OTA but via the stealership).

Same as it ever was...

The difference is OTA: customers would have to take their cars to a dealership to get the update, and there's no way GM would eat the cost. They could have easily offered it as a service customers could pay for, but GM management saw no value in updating old cars because they are all bean counters who think about cars as a quasi-perishable commodity.

Farley and Palmer seem different, but we'll see how this shakes out.

 

[JamieGeek]

The difference is OTA: customers would have to take their cars to a dealership to get the update, and there's no way GM would eat the cost. They could have easily offered it as a service customers could pay for, but GM management saw no value in updating old cars because they are all bean counters who think about cars as a quasi-perishable commodity.

Farley and Palmer seem different, but we'll see how this shakes out.

Oh I know that but there is a lot of layers of clay below them that are very hard to move LOL.

 

[hybrid2bev]

Sorry I didn't wade through all the complaining to see, but does anyone in the know actually know if this is true or another instance of one hand not talking to the other?

To my knowledge there has been no official documentation, in writing from Ford, that 21 MME's will or won't get an increase in battery capacity.

 

[Accord07]

I'm just waiting for the public outcry on here when the 2022s start getting delivered with frunk buttons on their (2) fobs.

I am not trying to gloat, but my July production vehicle was finally delivered in December with a working frunk button and two fobs. ?

 

[agoldman]

OTA is hard, Tesla has 10 years to figure it out, and they had many bumps in the road. For the early MME builds, some of the components OTA functionality might not be turned on yet. Darren indicated this in his interview.

• There's securing the OTA's,
• creating an update cycle that does not confuse the car components when something reboots, I've seen folks that have seen this, errors one day, and then after 3 days they went away..
• update recovery some have dual firmware, incase an update fails
• interrupted OTA delivery, software downloads
• Queuing downloads
• Prioritize updates, which ones are critical
• update order of the components, some must be update prior to others
• logging all updates for diagnostics
• Update timing, don't want this to happen right before you leave for work
• Testing / Testing / and more testing
• Testing when 1 component does not update out of 3, all while making sure the car continues to function normally
• the list goes on and on.

OTA is what we expect today, Apple, Google, Tesla have taken years to perfect. Ford will get there, they have to. It will be a little rocky for a few years as they work this out, build the OTA infrastructure. They will make a few mistakes along the way and have to fix them; it's how they will evolve.

Just remember, in the early days Apple has bricked phones with OTA's, Google has bricked phones with OTA's, Tesla has bricked cars with OTA's, in fact Tesla has a class action lawsuit over OTA updates taking range away.

Ford, has to be conservative in their OTA updates because they are late in the game, they are learning, and the competition has it down to a science. They can't make the mistakes Apple, Google, Tesla have made in the past.

Sometimes it's good to root for the underdog.

I would have bought something else if I had known that OTA was "hard" and Ford couldn't figure it out. It was a big selling point for me. I'm not looking for overly cautious at this point. I completely understand that some do.

 

[Logal727]

I would have bought something else if I had known that OTA was "hard" and Ford couldn't figure it out. It was a big selling point for me. I'm not looking for overly cautious at this point. I completely understand that some do.

It will get better, it has to or it’s not competitive.

 

[generaltso]

I am not trying to gloat, but my July production vehicle was finally delivered in December with a working frunk button and two fobs. ?

Yes, but not with frunk buttons on your fobs. You’ll be in the same boat as the rest of us when the 2022 owners get those.

 

[Logal727]

Yes, but not with frunk buttons on your fobs. You’ll be in the same boat as the rest of us when the 2022 owners get those.

how often do you guys open your Frunk??

 

[generaltso]

how often do you guys open your Frunk??

Only occasionally. That’s why I don’t complain.

 

[generaltso]

I would have bought something else if I had known that OTA was "hard" and Ford couldn't figure it out. It was a big selling point for me. I'm not looking for overly cautious at this point. I completely understand that some do.

But you discovered that before buying your GT, no?

 

[Logal727]

Only occasionally. That’s why I don’t complain.

I don't remember it until the trunk is full of luggage and then it's a lifesaver. Yeah, it'd be nice to open it with the app, but not a HUGE deal right now.

 

[generaltso]

I don't remember it until the trunk is full of luggage and then it's a lifesaver. Yeah, it'd be nice to open it with the app, but not a HUGE deal right now.

I mostly just use it for take-out.

 

[Logal727]

I mostly just use it for take-out.

I should see the looks I get popping the hood and throwing the Chinese food in lol

 

[breeves002]

OTA is hard, Tesla has 10 years to figure it out, and they had many bumps in the road. For the early MME builds, some of the components OTA functionality might not be turned on yet. Darren indicated this in his interview.

• There's securing the OTA's,
• creating an update cycle that does not confuse the car components when something reboots, I've seen folks that have seen this, errors one day, and then after 3 days they went away..
• update recovery some have dual firmware, incase an update fails
• interrupted OTA delivery, software downloads
• Queuing downloads
• Prioritize updates, which ones are critical
• update order of the components, some must be update prior to others
• logging all updates for diagnostics
• Update timing, don't want this to happen right before you leave for work
• Testing / Testing / and more testing
• Testing when 1 component does not update out of 3, all while making sure the car continues to function normally
• the list goes on and on.

OTA is what we expect today, Apple, Google, Tesla have taken years to perfect. Ford will get there, they have to. It will be a little rocky for a few years as they work this out, build the OTA infrastructure. They will make a few mistakes along the way and have to fix them; it's how they will evolve.

Just remember, in the early days Apple has bricked phones with OTA's, Google has bricked phones with OTA's, Tesla has bricked cars with OTA's, in fact Tesla has a class action lawsuit over OTA updates taking range away.

Ford, has to be conservative in their OTA updates because they are late in the game, they are learning, and the competition has it down to a science. They can't make the mistakes Apple, Google, Tesla have made in the past.

Sometimes it's good to root for the underdog.

I'm in complete agreement with this. OTA is NOT easy, especially with how complex software systems in vehicles are.

I think the biggest reason people are upset is because Ford had such confidence in getting people these OTAs and it was a huge selling point of the vehicle. They over sold it. I would much rather them delay and delay and get it right than have massive issues.

However they should offer up the updates at a dealer - and they are for a lot of fixes luckily.

The biggest thing they need to figure out is versioning. It is soooooo confusing the way they do the 'power ups' now with their version numbers. They either need to drop the numbers or have a comprehensive number.

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