Consumer Reports: Mach-E vs. Kia EV6

[Mach1E]

^^ This is the CR problem... it is a confirmation bias cycle. Do you really think that buyers of a Toyota corolla and the buyers of a Nissan GT-R think the same way about their cars or report the same kinds of things... don't think so.

It doesn't mean that everything they do is nonsense, but it's more directional than science. sorry.

Exactly. And when Toyota Corolla buyers get that “warm fuzzy feeling” when CR tells them their car is great……. They’re more likely to subscribe to CR.

And you end up with a lot of happy Corolla owners getting surveyed each year to tell each other how happy they are with their Corollas.

Again, I’ll ask CR when I buy a toaster……. Not when I buy a car.

People who tend to like CR for car purchases seem to also look at cars like an appliance to get them safely from point A to B.

Thats’s fine, I’m just not one of those people.

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[Mach1E]

You will stick with the data. Just not their (the consumers) data.

Got it. ?

All data sources are not created equally and shouldn’t be treated equally. Hopefully you already know this.

 

[Phil Martin]

The problem these days is all the influencers have corrupted YouTube. It's getting difficult to detect when someone is just doing an honest testing/review vs. getting perks and/or other benefits. Frankly, it's just easier to use CR.

 

[DennisD]

All data sources are not created equally and shouldn’t be treated equally. Hopefully you already know this.

Yes, and it is painfully obvious that you seem to suggest that Consumer Reports (which is a consumer report) should not be compared the same as an individual based study.

That we can agree on. Just like Google Reviews should not be treated with the same "value" as a food critic if we were rating eating establishments.

The thing we disagree on is perception.

You seem to suggest that because Toyota has been rated high by many consumers in the past, it has to be biased because now the Toyota purchasers are only gravitating towards CR hence, biased and favorable reviews showing up on CR.

Unless you have....................wait for it......................... a proven study to lend to this theory of yours, I guess we could weight your opinion the same as CR in this debate.

With CR, you are getting a good cross section of views of many brands from many people owning and driving said brands. Once again, through personal experience I have tended to agree with many of their findings.

I think that many that don't like CR happen to drive the low rated vehicles therefore, don't trust their reviews. They see them as biased no different than many see "biased" referee's when their home team is losing. ?

 

[jimitoast]

Right or wrong, I start with CR for every major purchase (>$500) if they have done a recent study (they don't have studies for everything and sometimes they are old). My primary interest with CR is reliability - less so with the other stuff. If CR scores it low on reliability, that is generally a show-stopper for me (assuming I have alternatives). If they like it, I expand my research to include other sources. When I have a major purchase coming up, I subscribe the monthly online content for a month and then stop it. That method has served me well without any notable "lemons" in my major purchases. There is no substitute for hands-on if that is possible since we don't all fit the mold of a "typical" user.

 

[tuminatr]

I like CR for the data they collect but articles like this are just somebody opinion

 

[Mach1E]

Yes, and it is painfully obvious that you seem to suggest that Consumer Reports (which is a consumer report) should not be compared the same as an individual based study.

That we can agree on. Just like Google Reviews should not be treated with the same "value" as a food critic if we were rating eating establishments.

The thing we disagree on is perception.

You seem to suggest that because Toyota has been rated high by many consumers in the past, it has to be biased because now the Toyota purchasers are only gravitating towards CR hence, biased and favorable reviews showing up on CR.

Unless you have....................wait for it......................... a proven study to lend to this theory of yours, I guess we could weight your opinion the same as CR in this debate.

With CR, you are getting a good cross section of views of many brands from many people owning and driving said brands. Once again, through personal experience I have tended to agree with many of their findings.

I think that many that don't like CR happen to drive the low rated vehicles therefore, don't trust their reviews. They see them as biased no different than many see "biased" referee's when their home team is losing. ?

CR is the proven study.

They have for decades ranked Japanese vehicles significantly higher than American……. When compared to other less biased sources.

I’m just helping explain “why” this is.

CR tells you what CR readers think of cars. It’s just a small cross section of the country as a whole.

Again…… NOT saying It’s worthless. And it’s definitely better than an individual review.

But some people seem to take it like the gospel, and it’s far from perfect.

If reliability (or perceived reliability) is most important to you, sure, I’d use it as one source. But look at other sources as well to see if there is some accuracy to the findings.

Just don’t be surprised when CR skews towards imports……. Because their readers have preferred imports for decades.

What kinda sucks is these skewed perceptions affect resale values significantly.

For example-

perception- Honda is more reliable than Buick.

Reality- Buick is more reliable than Honda.

Result- A used Honda Accord costs significantly more than a used Buick sedan.

What I tell people to buy? A 2 year old lower mileage Buick is a better buy than a 4 year old used Honda for the same price.

 

[ThatGuyLando]

For anyone who wants the TLR, kind of a wash but the MME scored higher ?

So the only real category in that summary sounds like the road test... the others are a feel good category and 2 predictions... yet because of those fake ones the MME is ahead?

 

[Logal727]

So the only real category in that summary sounds like the road test... the others are a feel good category and 2 predictions... yet because of those fake ones the MME is ahead?

Uh, people have different opinions on what matters most to them, seems like a wash mostly to me.

 

[DennisD]

CR is the proven study.

They have for decades ranked Japanese vehicles significantly higher than American……. When compared to other less biased sources.

I’m just helping explain “why” this is.

CR tells you what CR readers think of cars. It’s just a small cross section of the country as a whole.

Again…… NOT saying It’s worthless. And it’s definitely better than an individual review.

But some people seem to take it like the gospel, and it’s far from perfect.

If reliability (or perceived reliability) is most important to you, sure, I’d use it as one source. But look at other sources as well to see if there is some accuracy to the findings.

Just don’t be surprised when CR skews towards imports……. Because their readers have preferred imports for decades.

What kinda sucks is these skewed perceptions affect resale values significantly.

For example-

perception- Honda is more reliable than Buick.

Reality- Buick is more reliable than Honda.

Result- A used Honda Accord costs significantly more than a used Buick sedan.

What I tell people to buy? A 2 year old lower mileage Buick is a better buy than a 4 year old used Honda for the same price.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jensen...s-in-consumer-reports-survey/?sh=180777b7686a

Decades huh? That article was published less than 10 years ago. ?

The only "perception" that has now been proven within this thread is that you don't trust CR because CR always select imports over American made cars (in your mind anyway).

What would you like with that egg on your face? Bacon or Sausage. ?

 

[krafty81]

Right or wrong, I start with CR for every major purchase (>$500) if they have done a recent study (they don't have studies for everything and sometimes they are old). My primary interest with CR is reliability - less so with the other stuff. If CR scores it low on reliability, that is generally a show-stopper for me (assuming I have alternatives). If they like it, I expand my research to include other sources. When I have a major purchase coming up, I subscribe the monthly online content for a month and then stop it. That method has served me well without any notable "lemons" in my major purchases. There is no substitute for hands-on if that is possible since we don't all fit the mold of a "typical" user.

I agree with this. I have used CR for over 30 years for all purchases. I find their comparison of MME vs. EV6 accurate but they left out the fact that EV6 does NOT have wireless Android Auto or Car Play. I hate cables running around my car and really like my wireless AA in the MME.

 

[FirstPony]

EV6 vs Mach-E was our final decision as well. Very similar in a lot of ways. Mach-E won out for us for two reasons.

One was about space. The back seat area of the EV6 is super-cramped and uncomfortable - no one six feet or more can even sit up straight, and even average height people are crammed in at the shoulders. Plus MME wins out on cargo space too.

Second was the sight-lines, which the article also mentions. They were pretty bad on the EV6.

As an added bonus, I am glad we chose the Mach-E because we will still be eligible for that $7500 credit. Would have gone to zero with the EV6. We didn't know that at the time we ordered in February of course - we got lucky there.

 

[Mach1E]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jensen...s-in-consumer-reports-survey/?sh=180777b7686a

Decades huh? That article was published less than 10 years ago. ?

The only "perception" that has now been proven within this thread is that you don't trust CR because CR always select imports over American made cars (in your mind anyway).

What would you like with that egg on your face? Bacon or Sausage. ?

Now this is irony…….

I said, “Because their readers have preferred imports for decades.”

From your article:

“Buick is the first domestic brand to place in the top three most reliable brands in Consumer Reports’ 2016 Annual Brand Reliability Survey in the more than 35 years that the magazine has been tracking brand performance.”

Yes…… I think “more than 35 years” qualifies as “decades.”

LMAO. ? Enjoy your egg.

 

[devmach-e]

There seems to be a misconception here about how CR does their surveys. Thought this might be helpful:

https://data.consumerreports.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/CR-Auto-Reliability-FAQ-PDF-Nov-2021.pdf

Basically there's an objective side of things (reliability ratings) and a subjective side (consumer satisfaction). It is possible for a manufacturer to have crappy reliability/build ratings, and yet have a high customer satisfaction rating.

Clearly CR has enough readers who like American cars and respond to the surveys to be able to provide a large enough sample size to draw meaningful statistics and conclusions.

 

[Xadion]

Ehh it looks like a stretched out 1st gen Nissan leaf imo

The ioniq5 however

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