Consumer Reports: Mach-E vs. Kia EV6

[DennisD]

Now this is irony…….

I said, “Because their readers have preferred imports for decades.”

From your article:

“Buick is the first domestic brand to place in the top three most reliable brands in Consumer Reports’ 2016 Annual Brand Reliability Survey in the more than 35 years that the magazine has been tracking brand performance.”

Yes…… I think “more than 35 years” qualifies as “decades.”

LMAO. ? Enjoy your egg.

1. CR have reported low ratings for Buick the first 35 years of it's operation.
2. CR finally reported Buick of a positive rating while at the same time showing that Honda is/was "sinking" in their ratings.

You conclude that you are right whereas I was showing you proof that CR doesn't "rate" just to please their supposed "import" audience.

Did it ever occur to you that Buick may have sucked the first 35 years while Honda and many of the rest were excelling in that same time period?

Or you either sell Buicks or you drive one and you can't understand why the depreciation has gone south on a downhill slope other than it was CR's fault.

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[Mach1E]

1. CR have reported low ratings for Buick the first 35 years of it's operation.
2. CR finally reported Buick of a positive rating while at the same time showing that Honda is/was "sinking" in their ratings.

You conclude that you are right whereas I was showing you proof that CR doesn't "rate" just to please their supposed "import" audience.

Did it ever occur to you that Buick may have sucked the first 35 years while Honda and many of the rest were excelling in that same time period?

Or you either sell Buicks or you drive one and you can't understand why the depreciation has gone south on a downhill slope other than it was CR's fault.

As the commercial suggests, that is so you.................

Wow you seem to have trouble reading the articles YOU post.

It isn’t just Buick.

They were the FIRST domestic brand CR ranked in their top 3 in over 35 years.

Sounds like that lines up with exactly what I said: “because their readers have preferred imports for decades.”

Compare that to the 3 year dependability studies of JD power and it’s a mix of domestic and import. Here is 2005 results (2002 models).

Seems way less one sided:

https://www.jdpower.com/cars/ratings/dependability/2005

 

[DennisD]

Wow you seem to have trouble reading the articles YOU post.

It isn’t just Buick.

They were the FIRST domestic brand CR ranked in their top 3 in over 35 years.

Sounds like that lines up with exactly what I said: “because their readers have preferred imports for decades.”

Compare that to the 3 year dependability studies of JD power and it’s a mix of domestic and import. Here is 2005 results (2002 models).

Seems way less one sided:

https://www.jdpower.com/cars/ratings/dependability/2005

I merely compared Buick and Honda because you were complaining that Buick gets no love from CR and I pointed to an article suggesting the total opposite.

I purchased the following cars new that later were junk.

1988 Chrysler LeBaron- Electrical issues along with paint issues
1991 Pontiac Firebird- Body fitment along with a 305 that was junk
1992 Pontiac Grand Am- Quad 4 with a head gasket that went out after 22,000 miles
1996 Chevy Cavalier- power steering pump failed after 200 miles. Yes, 200.

Purchased a used 08 Vette in 2012- Glove box broke along with shifter mechanism after 14,000 miles on the odometer. LS 3 is a good engine but the body and hardware are junk for the money spent.

I now purchased my first domestic new car since 1999 with the MME and it is on a wait and see.

My first cars that I purchased back in the 70's were a Dodge Dart with a slant six. Great engine.
I also purchased a Dodge Charger with a 318. Once again, great engine and transmission. From there on, they literally fell off the quality wagon from the mid 70's on.

From the late 70's on, the American made cars were junk. I hate saying that but it is what it is. I tried with multiple purchases but many if not most were junk at the end of the day in comparison to the imports.

Fast forward to 1999 when I purchased my first import. It was a 1999 Honda Accord and it was so much better in quality than the previous models of American made.

I told my wife that if I had known that they were this much better I would have purchased an import years earlier.

You know who knew this earlier? It starts with a C and ends with an R. I should have listened to them.

It is no different than my Cornhusker FB Team. Back in the 90's they were great. They now suck. I don't blame it on anything other than the team just isn't good anymore. Maybe they will come around and be better someday.

Maybe the American made cars will out perform the imports on a grand scale someday?

If you believe in the Free Market, there is a damn good reason why the used imports bring more than their domestic counterparts.

They are made better and many people agree with that. CR is just reporting why they suck and you can't accept that fine point.

 

[Mach1E]

I merely compared Buick and Honda because you were complaining that Buick gets no love from CR and I pointed to an article suggesting the total opposite.

I purchased the following cars new that later were junk.

1988 Chrysler LeBaron- Electrical issues along with paint issues
1991 Pontiac Firebird- Body fitment along with a 305 that was junk
1992 Pontiac Grand Am- Quad 4 with a head gasket that went out after 22,000 miles
1996 Chevy Cavalier- power steering pump failed after 200 miles. Yes, 200.

Purchased a used 08 Vette in 2012- Glove box broke along with shifter mechanism after 14,000 miles on the odometer. LS 3 is a good engine but the body and hardware are junk for the money spent.

I now purchased my first domestic new car since 1999 with the MME and it is on a wait and see.

My first cars that I purchased back in the 70's were a Dodge Dart with a slant six. Great engine.
I also purchased a Dodge Charger with a 318. Once again, great engine and transmission. From there on, they literally fell off the quality wagon from the mid 70's on.

From the late 70's on, the American made cars were junk. I hate saying that but it is what it is. I tried with multiple purchases but many if not most were junk at the end of the day in comparison to the imports.

Fast forward to 1999 when I purchased my first import. It was a 1999 Honda Accord and it was so much better in quality than the previous models of American made.

I told my wife that if I had known that they were this much better I would have purchased an import years earlier.

You know who knew this earlier? It starts with a C and ends with an R. I should have listened to them.

It is no different than my Cornhusker FB Team. Back in the 90's they were great. They now suck. I don't blame it on anything other than the team just isn't good anymore. Maybe they will come around and be better someday.

Maybe the American made cars will out perform the imports on a grand scale someday?

If you believe in the Free Market, there is a damn good reason why the used imports bring more than their domestic counterparts.

They are made better and many people agree with that. CR is just reporting why they suck and you can't accept that fine point.

American car reliability used to suck. There was a huge gap between them andThat just isn’t the case anymore. CR is just decades behind figuring that out.

They, just like you, seem to be stuck based on biases and experiences from decades ago. You sound just like the target audience for CR reviews.

I get it, it’s tough to change your mind after decades of disappointment.

I still have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that Kia and Hyundai make a great product now.

 

[Say Watt]

EV6 vs Mach-E was our final decision as well. Very similar in a lot of ways. Mach-E won out for us for two reasons.

One was about space. The back seat area of the EV6 is super-cramped and uncomfortable - no one six feet or more can even sit up straight, and even average height people are crammed in at the shoulders. Plus MME wins out on cargo space too.

Second was the sight-lines, which the article also mentions. They were pretty bad on the EV6.

As an added bonus, I am glad we chose the Mach-E because we will still be eligible for that $7500 credit. Would have gone to zero with the EV6. We didn't know that at the time we ordered in February of course - we got lucky there.

You must have some fairly large friends. The passengers I’ve taken prefer the EV6. The Mach E seems “more open” with the extended sunroof but they say the MME seats are not as comfortable and the ride is harsher.

I got the GTPE for the MagneRide but I still prefer the EV6 for long road trips. The charging is faster and I can actually open the sunroof. (And I’m getting the $7,500 for each one.)

 

[Woeo]

Basically there's an objective side of things (reliability ratings) and a subjective side (consumer satisfaction). It is possible for a manufacturer to have crappy reliability/build ratings, and yet have a high customer satisfaction rating.

$TSLA

 

[FirstPony]

You must have some fairly large friends. The passengers I’ve taken prefer the EV6. The Mach E seems “more open” with the extended sunroof but they say the MME seats are not as comfortable and the ride is harsher.

I got the GTPE for the MagneRide but I still prefer the EV6 for long road trips. The charging is faster and I can actually open the sunroof. (And I’m getting the $7,500 for each one.)

I'm 6'3". My wife is 5'9". Our kids are both trending towards tall. The back seats of the EV6 were kind of terrible for any of us. I much preferred the MME back seats, and so did the kids. It was honestly the biggest reason we went with the MME over the EV6 (followed by cargo space and sight-lines as noted).

Openable sunroof would have been nice I agree. But the truth is even with our cars that have them, we rarely ever open them. Also in our case we have a Kia Sorento PHEV as our other vehicle so that is probably our road tripper for now, until the charging networks mature in some places a bit more.

 

[tfitzgex]

I called the Kia Dealer here, and asked how long for an ordered EV6 in Canada, I could hear his Poker Face over the phone...."2-3 years..." "Thanks bye!"

What's that in American years? Is the conversion rate similar now?

 

[MachEMaster]

What's that in American years? Is the conversion rate similar now?

Only 1.5 U.S. Years. Lol

 

[devmach-e]

$TSLA

Ding ding ding!

 

[m7han]

I called the Kia Dealer here, and asked how long for an ordered EV6 in Canada, I could hear his Poker Face over the phone...."2-3 years..." "Thanks bye!"

Same here in Toronto. 2 years minimum...

 

[SolarAB]

I called the Kia Dealer here, and asked how long for an ordered EV6 in Canada, I could hear his Poker Face over the phone...."2-3 years..." "Thanks bye!"

I have high hopes for better availability since the U.S. dropped the EV rebate for Kia and Hyundai because they're doing their manufacturing in Korea. Maybe they'll redirect some of their supply for 2023 to Canada.

 

[bbulkow]

I gave up on CR maybe two decades ago. Something stopped working about their sampling data and methodology. And stale model data. And multiple other specific sources of data (aka the Internet) for larger purchases are easy to find and triangulate. Even in the face of companies attempting to game the system.

As i have gotten older, i realize my desires for major purchases often don't align with 80 percent of people. That is one, of many, sources of drift between their data and my needs.

It also costs a lot of money for the good i get out of it. Reddit costs nothing. I would probably fold in cr to my overall data gathering if it was cheaper.

 

[dgilles428]

For me CR really hurt their credibility when they would report very different reliability data for crossbadged cars.

Toyota Matrix - Pontiac Vibe to name an old example. same car, same parts bin, same assembly line, different reliability scores? nonsense.

The fundamental problem is that they rely on survey data which is demonstrably inaccurate.

CR has totally different criteria than I do when buying a car .. looks, performance are the highest, the criteria used by CR are more appropriate for appliances than cars.

 

[waldo1949]

We make the better toaster oven!


CR is such a waste.

I remember back when I worked at an appliance and electronics store years ago.

CR shoppers were the worst.

“I want this model, CR says it’s the best.”

……..that model is last years, it’s discontinued. But here is the identical one they just changed the model number.

“CR doesn’t like that one as much.”

…….. it’s identical to the one they liked last year.


My favorite was when they ranked two identical big screen TVs significantly differently. Literally the same model but one had a better speaker system and anti glare screen…….. it was ranked lower for sound and glare.

When you survey your readers after telling them what to buy……. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

I rely on CR. Yes the models for appliance reviews have often changed, but not so for cars. I only went against a CR rec. for cars once and it was a terrible mistake. The CR assessment was spot on.

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