Decision between MME GT PE & Competitors; is 5 sec. perf. limit the deciding factor?

[buzznwood]

Also... this applies to the Mach-E also. You may not want a heavy EV.



I much prefer the handling of lighter RWD EVs like the Model 3 RWD and Mach-E RWD Standard Range over the chunkier/fatter bigger siblings like the Model Y and Mach-E ER or GT. These heavy EVs handle like fat bricks.

+1 on this one out of the OP choices and depending on what they class as 'fun' it would be hard to look past the m4. My GTPE does its best to hide the weight but it still steers and handles like a bus in comparison to the Focus RS it replaced and would even have trouble keeping up with my FWD Focus ST down some of my favorite twisty back roads, the saving grace is EV instant torque until the party pooper power limitations kick in.

At the original launch price with x-plan the incentives and the full tax credit and if the 5 second limitations where not something that you would encounter in your typical day to day use cases, then I would give the GTPE a consider it recommendation, but with the prices increases I would say the 5 second limitations is a deal breaker compared to the performance competition.

Also with the bmw for the premium price you get premium cabin materials while with Ford not so much.

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[tuminatr]

I actually like the BMW and the MME. As a family vehicle an SUV has huge advantages

 

[Stang68]

In Southern California and Texas (lived in both) cruising speed is 80+ on long stretches. So passing speed can approach 90 or more for short stints. If you're going 70, you get flashed and tail gated. It can be dangerous to not keep up with traffic. So you do need the passing power, exactly at the point where power falls off on the GTPE.

I agree on the I4 styling. Sad, because I had multiple BMWs in the past and always like their style and suspension setup.

Yes but I haven’t had a problem passing people at high speeds in my GTPE. I feel like people say the car just dies at high speeds when that’s not true, it can pass cars fine lol

 

[Mach1E]

Yes but I haven’t had a problem passing people at high speeds in my GTPE. I feel like people say the car just dies at high speeds when that’s not true, it can pass cars fine lol

“Can pass cars just fine,” is not the description you want from a 480hp performance vehicle.

“Fine, adequate, ok…….” Not impressive terms.

And yea, it passes fine, adequate, ok, if it’s high state of charge and warm outside.

In the severe cold though, trying to pass could be downright dangerous.

“It dies at high speed” is still true in the summer though. It loses around 150 hp when the 5 seconds is up.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Yes but I haven’t had a problem passing people at high speeds in my GTPE. I feel like people say the car just dies at high speeds when that’s not true, it can pass cars fine lol

You're right, its an exaggeration. It can pass "just fine" but so can a toyota Camry, or honda Accord. The fact that the GTPE has less passing power than the regular Premium MME, is just sad and unacceptable.

 

[Zer0t]

Yes but I haven’t had a problem passing people at high speeds in my GTPE. I feel like people say the car just dies at high speeds when that’s not true, it can pass cars fine lol

This has been my experience as well. I hammered this car after a DCFC, hoping to break the HVBJB, and it had no issues buzzing through traffic at 85 and then over 90 for passing opportunities.

It’s a great car, I think @Ford Motor Company really should recall the bad hardware if they cared but are making a decision not to. I think it will cost them wrt brand loyalty for future purchases.

I have 4 Ford products currently, 19 Raptor, 21 Bronco, 22 Lightning and 22 GTPE and will probably choose a different brand when replacing any of the aforementioned cars.

 

[Stang68]

“Can pass cars just fine,” is not the description you want from a 480hp performance vehicle.

“Fine, adequate, ok…….” Not impressive terms.

And yea, it passes fine, adequate, ok, if it’s high state of charge and warm outside.

In the severe cold though, trying to pass could be downright dangerous.

“It dies at high speed” is still true in the summer though. It loses around 150 hp when the 5 seconds is up.

Dangerous lol let’s not exaggerate here. It’s not like we’re trying to pass in a Smart Car going 120.

 

[Bodyshopguy]

I am seriously in the market to finally replace our 11 year old Chevy Volt with a full EV, that also has good performance. I love cars and own quite a variety, including a 2015 BMW M4. Thus, I would love to have an EV capable of transporting my small family on trips that also gives some "fun" when needed. I am all set to put the money down on the top of the line Mustang Mach E GT Performance Edition, especially since the overall acceleration is similar to my M4. However, this 5 second performance limit has me hesitating, thus I am actively looking at competitors. The BMW I4 M50 is a serious contender for me since it is in the same ballpark cost wise with similar performance, but without this 5 second penalty.

I am new to the Mustang ME forum world (but not Ford as I do have a Bronco finally) so am hoping others on here may have some speculation on this... Since I believe this can be changed through software, what is the chance Ford will see this as a bad marketing move, etc. and later reverse or change this performance limit; or atleast find another way to protect the battery that isn't so limiting.

I have a Mach-E GT PE ... I test drove the BMW i4M50... what a machine, the sound piped in (created by Harman Kardon), the speed... it was awesome... but, too small, tight and it was like driving a 3 Series but faster (my other car is 2020 750i M Sport). However, this is an SUV... the interior is beautiful, Ford pulled out all the stops on the GT PE... it handles and brakes like a dream, super fast, easy to charge... it was well built. The price on the GT PE stings a little but, it's a rocket... it's funny, there is another thread on the i4M50... the guy sold his Mach-E and loves his BMW i4M50 but, it doesn't get the same attention as the Mach-E did and it's smaller. I plan to use if for recreation... put, a hide away hitch on it... for bikes... and use it to put miles on (beach mostly)... it cost 20-30 dollars to charge is up to 250 miles... Just so everyone understands the 5 second limiter... if you're driving 80 miles an hour... and hit it... full throttle for 5 seconds... you going be over 100 miles per hour... might be closer to 120 mph. This SUV is faster than most cars... it's shocking...

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Just so everyone understands the 5 second limiter... if you're driving 80 miles an hour... and hit it... full throttle for 5 seconds... you going be over 100 miles per hour... might be closer to 120 mph. This SUV is faster than most cars... it's shocking...

This is a misconception. the 5sec starts at 0 mph. If you are already cruising at 80mph and press the accelerator, the limit of power starts right away. You don't get 5secs of full power at 80mph. If you did, I would be perfectly fine.

 

[hprose]

I don't hate my GTPE. I actually like it quite a bit. I don't like the ticking time bomb of when it will brick on me though. I don't like that I have to baby it in hope that it won't die and leave me stranded.

The GTPE has a lot going for it.

As far as just selling it, and get another car. Well in any other time that would be great, but currently everything has a 6mos+ wait to order or pay 10K ADM fee. neither are good options.

But if I was looking to put in an order now, I would consider other options, not because the GTPE is not a good car, but because of all the other things associated with it especially the unreliable Ford dealership and Ford cooperate.

There are near 50,000 MMEs on the road. Most have never had a problem including GTs and GTPEs. I have 3 friends with MMEs, 2 Premiums and a GT. No problems. On the forums we hear from owners who are having problems. Once you own your MME you can go to any dealer you want for service or not at all. I had a Fusion Energi and in 5.5 years the only warranty work was a new 12V battery. My 250 gets oil changed. I haven’t done a scheduled service in 40 years. The 2 cars that had the greatest need for service were Porches. So much for a German workmanship. Enjoy your car. Things will or won’t happens whether you worry or don’t, so don’t.

 

[Panzer948]

All great feedback. For an update, we test drove a GT today on the way back from vacation (i.e. out of town so likely will not buy from there). I noticed right away it was a little beat up with scratches on the outside, grass hanging underneath the body, and even bad scratches on top of the dash. I asked how this dealership happened to have a GT to test drive (since most seem to only have non GTs). They indicated it was used and they bought it off original owner to keep as a demo/loaner while marking it well above MRSP. Even though it was in bad shape (for a 2021) it still drove great. I was very impressed with acceleration and even handling as I was ready to be down on that after watching vids and reading posts on how much better the suspension is on the PE version. Heck, one youtuber said he would only buy the PE version due to suspension improvements, with the seats as a runner up reason. Overall we like it and it passed the "wife" factor.

Here is what I did not like as much about it; which I hope the PE version corrects but will also cause me to pay attention to competitors before pulling the trigger:

• As I said, the interior was dirty, with scratches on top of the dash. Is it that easy to scratch? Maybe the previous owner had dogs.... I take good care of my cars so unless this thing scratches easy (like my Bronco's cargo area...) then this will likely not be a concern.
• This GT had few options; no 360 deg camera, etc., so disappointed I couldn't evaluate it on the tech package goodies that I know the BMW will have. Note, I didn't bother to ask about FORD CO-PILOT360 as we drove this on a frontage road to dealership and were pressed for time.
• This bare bones GT also did not have leather or other interior upgrades and I was not that impressed with the materials that I have heard mostly positive feedback on. Is the PE version a lot nicer? I hear the seats are!
• Storage space in back seemed smaller that what I envisioned (I thought it would be deeper) but I did like the frunk.

So.... when I go look at the I4, which I will this week, is it going to blow this GT bare build away? Is that even a fair comparison since I want a Performance Edition with all bells and whistles. I know this is not going to be a BMW but I am hoping the PE gets it close to the same interior quality and tech as the I4 M40/M50.

 

[voxel]

All great feedback. For an update, we test drove a GT today on the way back from vacation (i.e. out of town so likely will not buy from there). I noticed right away it was a little beat up with scratches on the outside, grass hanging underneath the body, and even bad scratches on top of the dash. I asked how this dealership happened to have a GT to test drive (since most seem to only have non GTs). They indicated it was used and they bought it off original owner to keep as a demo/loaner while marking it well above MRSP. Even though it was in bad shape (for a 2021) it still drove great. I was very impressed with acceleration and even handling as I was ready to be down on that after watching vids and reading posts on how much better the suspension is on the PE version. Heck, one youtuber said he would only buy the PE version due to suspension improvements, with the seats as a runner up reason. Overall we like it and it passed the "wife" factor.

Here is what I did not like as much about it; which I hope the PE version corrects but will also cause me to pay attention to competitors before pulling the trigger:

• As I said, the interior was dirty, with scratches on top of the dash. Is it that easy to scratch? Maybe the previous owner had dogs.... I take good care of my cars so unless this thing scratches easy (like my Bronco's cargo area...) then this will likely not be a concern.
• This GT had few options; no 360 deg camera, etc., so disappointed I couldn't evaluate it on the tech package goodies that I know the BMW will have. Note, I didn't bother to ask about FORD CO-PILOT360 as we drove this on a frontage road to dealership and were pressed for time.
• This bare bones GT also did not have leather or other interior upgrades and I was not that impressed with the materials that I have heard mostly positive feedback on. Is the PE version a lot nicer? I hear the seats are!
• Storage space in back seemed smaller that what I envisioned (I thought it would be deeper) but I did like the frunk.

So.... when I go look at the I4, which I will this week, is it going to blow this GT bare build away? Is that even a fair comparison since I want a Performance Edition with all bells and whistles. I know this is not going to be a BMW but I am hoping the PE gets it close to the same interior quality and tech as the I4 M40/M50.

The 360 camera and hands-free BlueCruise are two of the best features of the MME (as in... competitors don't implement them or not well). The interior in PE won't be any nice than the GT... My Premium and GTPE cars were basically the same interiors except for the seats.

I doubt the i4 will blow you away. The interior and audio are instantly better but if you complain about the storage space in the MME then you will hate the i4 that has no frunk and even has less space. The i4 is subtle ninja in that the handling is so natural. I felt instantly comfortable with it and zipped around urban streets like I had owned the car for 10 years.

You may also want to consider the Cadillac Lyriq, Genesis GV60, Ioniq 5 Limited, EV6 GT (not GT-Line), Nissan Ariya, and maybe even the BMW iX (with it's wacky control system)

 

[Bodyshopguy]

There are near 50,000 MMEs on the road. Most have never had a problem including GTs and GTPEs. I have 3 friends with MMEs, 2 Premiums and a GT. No problems. On the forums we hear from owners who are having problems. Once you own your MME you can go to any dealer you want for service or not at all. I had a Fusion Energi and in 5.5 years the only warranty work was a new 12V battery. My 250 gets oil changed. I haven’t done a scheduled service in 40 years. The 2 cars that had the greatest need for service were Porches. So much for a German workmanship. Enjoy your car. Things will or won’t happens whether you worry or don’t, so don’t.

A 2022 GT PE just auctioned for 113,000.00 on Barrett Jackson... I believe Ford will do much better than Tesla...at very least, a fierce competitor. Electric is new for most manufacturers... Now, they're going to change the batteries from Lithium-Ion to Lithium-Iron phosphate... the new 2023 MME GT PE is now 6-7,000.00 dollars higher without a ADM fee. Tesla has a below standard interior with fit and refinish issues for a premium car... and does not have enough service locations. In the collision industry, I try not to fix them... because, of delayed parts and most repairs are 2-3 months. If it was going to fail...it would have yesterday. It's been up to 114 degrees in Southern California...over 100 degrees all week.... I charged it up yesterday... $ 22.88... back up to 250 miles... drove to Huntington Beach and back... the Air Conditioning is better than any car I've ever owned... I've had more than 30 cars... Hang in there... Enjoy the car.

 

[Mach1E]

Dangerous lol let’s not exaggerate here. It’s not like we’re trying to pass in a Smart Car going 120.

I’m talking about trying to pass a tractor trailer on a 2 lane highway in the very cold.

Could be extremely dangerous to try and not know what kinda power to expect.

When it’s really cold, the high speed acceleration slows to a crawl.

This shouldn’t happen in a performance vehicle.

Might be better off trying in a smart car. At least you’d know exactly what to expect and how slow it is. For our cars? Don’t know until you try and the results are significantly different depending on the cold.

In the top speed autobahn winter test, it took 57 seconds to hit 124.

Almost any modern car (that isn’t limited below that) could hit 124 faster.

And no, you don’t need to go 124 to pass, it just shows how obscenely slow it gets in the cold. Saw a car time a 124 mph run in the summer and it only took like 13 seconds from 70 to 124.

 

[Panzer948]

I’m talking about trying to pass a tractor trailer on a 2 lane highway in the very cold.

Could be extremely dangerous to try and not know what kinda power to expect.

When it’s really cold, the high speed acceleration slows to a crawl.

This shouldn’t happen in a performance vehicle.

Might be better off trying in a smart car. At least you’d know exactly what to expect and how slow it is. For our cars? Don’t know until you try and the results are significantly different depending on the cold.

In the top speed autobahn winter test, it took 57 seconds to hit 124.

Almost any modern car (that isn’t limited below that) could hit 124 faster.

And no, you don’t need to go 124 to pass, it just shows how obscenely slow it gets in the cold. Saw a car time a 124 mph run in the summer and it only took like 13 seconds from 70 to 124.

This does sound concerning and obviously you are very "concerned". So my question is this, if it bothers you this bad why do you still have it? Seriously honest question as I am trying to make an important financial decision to buy one. For example, are you holding out with hope that Ford corrects this with software update (which sounds like this is all it is) or does the car meet all your other expectations that this is just an annoyance and not worth trading it in for something else?

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