Ford Range Increase Coming?

[dbsb3233]

What is important is not the EPA range but the realistic range that you can expect on a road trip.

^^ This ^^

At least for the vast majority of people, who's around-home driving is well within vehicle range with plenty of room to spare. And who charge at home.

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[agoldman]

I wonder when the EPA range is actually coming...

 

[efisher]

I don’t understand why Ford didn’t include a heat pump in a new car designed for 2021. It is one of the main items people wish for in the future in another thread about what they like and would want. I mean Konas and leafs have them. Being in NE, I am acutely aware of the comments about significant range loss in cold without it. This is the one item that makes me think the next version will be better because they will put it in. Is it so expensive to add Ford thought it would bump the price too much? The Mach-E was practically perfect for a newly designed vehicle but this seems like a huge mistake/oversight.

What do you think? Am I over reacting?

Most buyers are not members of this forum and do not spend time examining the arguments that we constantly have examining the pros and cons of each car's features. I doubt most people understand that one car has a heat pump, and the other does not. Also, I suspect we are overvaluing the importance of a heat pump on the car's overall efficiency. While it would be nice to have, we are only speculating on how much difference it will make. (Remember, until the Model Y no Tesla had a heat pump either.)

 

[RonTCat]

So I have to ask: If the vehicle is exactly the same as it was months ago, same design, same parts, but Ford publishes a better "final, official range" than it is publishing right now... Does it matter to you, and why?

 

[Jolteon]

And that's exactly my point. You just described a COMBINATION of highway+city. And that's similar to what EPA does on their "highway" test. And that's a misnomer because that's "combo", not "highway". 48 MPH avg is not "highway", it's combo (at best).

Then for the EPA "range" number, they dilute it further by splitting it with 19 MPH "city". By the time they get to their "combo" number, there's little highway speed left in it. Thus why EPA range is a very inferior number for actual interstate speeds.

Unless you have found a way to enter your car and start your trip while the car was already moving 75 MPH, no real-world highway trip is actually steady state highway speed, so that's an artificially high standard to expect anyone to meet. I can drive at a 75 MPH cruise control speed on the highway, but since I got stuck at 2 traffic lights on my way to the highway, my actual average speed will be 68 or whatever.

 

[ARK]

Unless you have found a way to enter your car and start your trip while the car was already moving 75 MPH, no real-world highway trip is actually steady state highway speed, so that's an artificially high standard to expect anyone to meet. I can drive at a 75 MPH cruise control speed on the highway, but since I got stuck at 2 traffic lights on my way to the highway, my actual average speed will be 68 or whatever.

This is true, but I think the point is, on a road trip style trip, you might spend 5, 10, 15 minutes getting to the freeway, and then spend hours and hours of time actually at 75 MPH, so that if you really are on a road trip where your car's max range is important, your average speed for the day may really well be 65+ MPH.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

So I have to ask: If the vehicle is exactly the same as it was months ago, same design, same parts, but Ford publishes a better "final, official range" than it is publishing right now... Does it matter to you, and why?

If all goes well @RonTCat sometime in 2021 I'll get an ER AWD MME. The estimated range on that vehicle is 270 miles. I'm quite happy with that. If it has a higher actual EPA range, great. If it comes out at 270, that's great too.

All that matters to me is I actually get a well designed, high quality build that gets me down the road to the next convenient charging station (when necessary). 270 miles is probably when my caffeine low-level warning light comes on anyway.

 

[DBC]

Except it's not "heavily" weighted toward it. Just the opposite. If it were heavily weighted toward it, the average speed would be something like 73 or 77 or at least 69. Instead it's so slanted toward medium and low speed that the average is a mere 48.3 MPH (but passed off as "highway" speed).

A failure to receive is not a failure to send. Again, HFET is NOT the Highway number. The highway number includes HFET but is heavily weighted towards US06. You keep confusing these two completely different numbers.

You are also overweighting the importance of the average speed. When you go 0-60 MPH your average speed is 30 MPH. When you go 60 MPH your average speed is 60 MPH. To cover the same ground would you use more energy going 0-60 MPH twice with an average speed of 30 MPH or just going 60 MPH?

 

[jhalkias]

So I have to ask: If the vehicle is exactly the same as it was months ago, same design, same parts, but Ford publishes a better "final, official range" than it is publishing right now... Does it matter to you, and why?

It only makes me happier. I knew what I was buying when I put in my reservation. I am fine even if it stays the same. I would only be unhappy if it goes down.

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