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A Mach-E equivalent of TeslaFi would be terrific. My buddy has shared a number of his Tesla road trips with me and it's so fascinating to see each segments data as well as the charging session. Plus it also keeps track of lifetime charging for both AC and DC.

The DC totals are especially important because Tesla will start to de-rate charging speeds once a certain kWh threshold has been reached.
It's amazing. I really, really hope someone is able to decode the Ford API to make "FordFi" for us. With as many people as pay for TeslaFi, I'm shocked Ford isn't making their own version of it. I'm probably going to look into logging via OBDII manually myself if FORScan can work with Mach-E.
 

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@JayTee what specifically is your question?

You have the EPA tests and the link to what they entail. You’ve had several EV owners give you real world data which, as they have all pointed out repeatedly, is only valid for that particular day, time, driver, temp, road.

If you don’t want to use the EPA test or the real world tests, then by all means devise a standard that is meaningful to you but don’t keep asking for the same thing to be explained over and over agIan.

I do want to use the real world test. That's been my point all along that they are much better than the EPA method. I don't have a question.

and there is no adjustment necessary for the driver. Driving at a steady state is the same for everybody.
 

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I do want to use the real world test. That's been my point all along that they are much better than the EPA method. I don't have a question.
Great now we can get back to the topic of what will Ford release as the range for the MachE.

Ford has likely done the EPA tests and the 270 miles of the ER AWD it posts is less than the EPA tests. It’s Ford’s biggest EV play and they understandably want to exceed customer expectations. Posting less than EPA range will do that. But competition from VW and Tesla has already forced a price reduction, will force a release of more range?
 

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It doesn't matter what Ford releases as it's range for the first year or two because they will sell out regardless.

If Tesla keeps repeatedly lowering prices, Ford will be forced to keep pace.
 

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It doesn't matter what Ford releases as it's range for the first year or two because they will sell out regardless.

If Tesla keeps repeatedly lowering prices, Ford will be forced to keep pace.
Hopefully one more time before cars are delivered ;)
 

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I want the range to be just enough more than Tesla so they have to use even more of their battery in order to match it.
 

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Only a high speed (at least 70 mph) highway test can evaluate the highway range of an electric vehicle. The EPA test cannot.
it isn’t so much that it can’t, but rather that it currently doesn’t. And this holds for both EVs and ICE vehicles.
 

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It’s Ford’s biggest EV play and they understandably want to exceed customer expectations. Posting less than EPA range will do that.
only if EPA range is more than customer expectations by at least as much as they post under it.

I have an expectation of about 270 miles. If they come out with 230 and EPA range is really 250, it won’t be exceeding my expectation.
 
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A distinction without a difference.
Fair enough.
I expect most who pay attention to this stuff would agree that the EPA test gamut, even the highway cycle alone, doesn’t represent highway driving in most places.
It is, however, a repeatable standard.
The distance light travels in a vacuum in about 1/300 million seconds is meaningless to essentially everyone. So is the length of a rod locked up in France, or 1/10,000,000 of the distance from the equator to the North Pole. But a standard meter is nonetheless important.
 

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I want the range to be just enough more than Tesla so they have to use even more of their battery in order to match it.
Ford will play it conservative as Fords MachE base is more Ford customers who will be new to EV so Ford wants to exceed their expectations as Porsche did with Taycan, rating it at 200 mile range and then owners themselves getting 240 pretty regularly.

So I don't expect much more than the current 270 initially.
 

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That's fairly small.
Highly unlikely, since nearly every BEV loses significant mileage at high speeds. But I guess we'll find out soon enough for the MME when we actually get to drive it at 75. I'm going in expecting something around a 20% loss, based on the variety of expert data.
 

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EPA is a standard that other conclusions should be able to be drawn from and it does not matter the average speed if extrapolation can be derived. It should be controlled so as many variables that can be are kept constant (indoors, same rolling resistance etc.) to aid in comparing a new EV from past (current) ones. The problem is that standard varies "at the administrators discretion" which makes the standard political and therefore needs to be viewed with caution if not skepticism. Wonder if WLTP is more of a standardize standard? Real world on a 100 KW pack (no only 88 now) should be ok; we assume ford has got this one. As for highway "interstate" tests I am sure owners will get to that. Head winds, road conditions, temperature, elevation change (from somewhere in the mid-west to somewhere in the mid-west) will then all be up for debate. Welcome to the fun of new tech :cool:.
 

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It should be controlled so as many variables that can be are kept constant (indoors, same rolling resistance etc.)
note: rolling resistance is not constant, it is set relative to the aerodynamics of the specific vehicle.
 

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Great now we can get back to the topic of what will Ford release as the range for the MachE.

Ford has likely done the EPA tests and the 270 miles of the ER AWD it posts is less than the EPA tests. It’s Ford’s biggest EV play and they understandably want to exceed customer expectations. Posting less than EPA range will do that. But competition from VW and Tesla has already forced a price reduction, will force a release of more range?
According to our Ford employee forum members, the EPA test has NOT been done. He has stated this a couple times that I have read and asked that people not spread fake information about its result.
 

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I really am getting tired of reading the debate about which is more accurate when it comes to a lab test result v. real life. I'm sure I am not the only one. They both has important value to all of us. Yes, a lab test is repeatable, because it is always in a constant ideal control. Yes, a real life test result is important because WE LIVE IN AND DRIVE IN REAL LIFE, not a lab controlled environment. Can we agree to disagree about which is MORE important and just get excited for the delivery of our highly anticipated new cars? Please.
 



 









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