FordPass App vs Tesla App

[Art]

I think all he is trying to say is that 10 KWH of electrons, is going to be 10 KWH of electrons every single time you charge, regardless of how fast or slow you pump them into the tank.

But those same 10 KWH might be 30 miles added on Monday, but 27 miles added on Wednesday. And might even be 33 miles added on Friday.

That's a ~20% swing in miles added, yet the quantity of fuel was identical every day.

Of course both values have their place. ?

What I am comparing is not the same system on different days, but a comparison of the Ford cable and the replacement of a Grizzl-E cable with no changes but the cables.

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[Snakebitten]

I think you mean you are comparing 2 different EVSE, rather than 2 cables.
Still, KWH per hour is apples to apples, day in and day out.

Miles added per hour, is by its very nature, a "moving" value.

 

[Art]

It's in the app at the bottom. Charging stats.

What I see is a total Money and kwh hours summarized by month.
Not detail on a session.

 

[Art]

I think you mean you are comparing 2 different EVSE, rather than 2 cables.
Still, KWH per hour is apples to apples, day in and day out.

Miles added per hour, is by its very nature, a "moving" value.

That is the whole point I was making.
The receptacle and Breaker are the same. When I replaced
the Ford system (20 m/pch) with the GRizzl-E I got (37 m/pch)
Whether the 20 miles or the 37 miles are inaccurate, the comparison is important.
If you charged your car completely 10% to 80% in one week and it took x hours.
The next week you charged your car completely 10% to 80% and it was x/y hours Isn't that meaningful?

 

[RickMachE]

I think all he is trying to say is that 10 KWH of electrons, is going to be 10 KWH of electrons every single time you charge, regardless of how fast or slow you pump them into the tank.

But those same 10 KWH might be 30 miles added on Monday, but 27 miles added on Wednesday. And might even be 33 miles added on Friday.

That's a ~20% swing in miles added, yet the quantity of fuel was identical every day.

Of course both values have their place. ?

Right.

What I am comparing is not the same system on different days, but a comparison of the Ford cable and the replacement of a Grizzl-E cable with no changes but the cables.

You seemed to be comparing apps.

That is the whole point I was making.
The receptacle and Breaker are the same. When I replaced
the Ford system (20 m/pch) with the GRizzl-E I got (37 m/pch)
Whether the 20 miles or the 37 miles are inaccurate, the comparison is important.
If you charged your car completely 10% to 80% in one week and it took x hours.
The next week you charged your car completely 10% to 80% and it was x/y hours Isn't that meaningful?

You are comparing a 32amp charger with a 40amp charger. 40/32 = 25% faster charging. Miles doesn't come into it.

But your miles show a much bigger difference, 37/20 = 85% faster. If you have the Grizzl-e set to 48amps on an outlet, that is a problem. 50amp breaker, 40amp setting.

If you have it set to 40amps, you make my initial point that miles is irrelevant. 40amps is 25% faster than 32amps. Period.

 

[Art]

Right.



You seemed to be comparing apps.



You are comparing a 32amp charger with a 40amp charger. 40/32 = 25% faster charging. Miles doesn't come into it.

But your miles show a much bigger difference, 37/20 = 85% faster. If you have the Grizzl-e set to 48amps on an outlet, that is a problem. 50amp breaker, 40amp setting.

If you have it set to 40amps, you make my initial point that miles is irrelevant. 40amps is 25% faster than 32amps. Period.

My initial point was how replacing my Ford setup with a Grizzl-E gave me an upgrade. I illustrated it with miles added per hour (20 versus 37).

Is that bad?
I think it is a simple comparison for anyone that is looking for a faster charging session.
If that is bad, give me a simpler comparison for a new EV user and I’'ll use it

 

[Snakebitten]

Lol
You didn't do anything bad. Or wrong.
You simply posted and received responses.

The Grizzly is set at a higher rate of charging amps than the Ford charger was. So more kilowatts per hour.

Which would also be more miles per hour, but not necessarily by the same percentage increase.

 

[RickMachE]

My initial point was how replacing my Ford setup with a Grizzl-E gave me an upgrade. I illustrated it with miles added per hour (20 versus 37).

Is that bad?
I think it is a simple comparison for anyone that is looking for a faster charging session.
If that is bad, give me a simpler comparison for a new EV user and I’'ll use it

I think we've beaten this to death, but you still haven't answered the question below:

Do you have the Grizzl-E charger set to 40amp?

or

If the Grizzl-E charger is a plug-in, please make sure it isn't set higher than 40amps.

 

[Art]

I think we've beaten this to death, but you still haven't answered the question below:

Do you have the Grizzl-E charger set to 40amp?

or

If the Grizzl-E charger is a plug-in, please make sure it isn't set higher than 40amps.

it is set to it's highest setting of 40 amps.

 

[RickMachE]

it is set to it's highest setting of 40 amps.

Good.

40amps x 240v x 90% efficiency = 8.6kW
32 amps = 6.9kW

If you open the FordPass app after 20 or so min of charging, write down the kWh number. Divide by minutes, multiply by 60. That is what the car is receiving.

If you do that with each charger, you will confirm that the 40amp Grizzl-E is giving you 25% faster charging.

 

[Art]

What I see is a total Money and kwh hours summarized by month.
Not detail on a session.

Some how this comparison of FordPass app and Tesla app appears to be mixed in with another discussion????

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