Help me decide: Mach-E or Model Y

[Rt1AWD]

In terms of insurance cost Tesla Y is the ultimate looser
see details here
https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/the-ultimate-mach-e-insurance-quotes-thread.2712/post-265204

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[mac123]

If you want a car right now, there's model Y's to be had, provided you keep searching for inventory to pop. There's a twitter feed where some one's already done the hard work with some code that keeps checking the tesla site for inventory and posting it to twitter (@tesla_inventory on twitter). That's how i snagged a Y recently for the wife. Gas prices in CA, the high resale value on cars and the fact that my wife preferred driving my tesla over her 2020 MB GLE were deciding factors. I have a mach-e on order because the car appeals to me emotionally (like the model s did in 2013).

I've been driving tesla's since 2013 (owned/leased 2 model S's) and have been a big fan of Tesla, Musk and everything that they've done to make EV's a reality. However they are the goliath now, but they still continue to have crappy build quality. The sound of the rear door closing is like banging 2 tin cans against each other. There have been several occasions where the screen hung, and you've lost the ability to see the gear you're in, the speed you're driving in, and ability to control windshield wipers. It rained yesterday for the first time since we got the Y, and this happened to my wife, while she was driving. She called and i asked her to pull over and reboot. I will be taking delivery of my mach-e shortly and should have a first hand experience having both these cars in the family.

 

[Rt1AWD]

The fact that my MME is scheduled today for the week of 12/13 removes model Y that they promised to deliver in April out of consideration completely

 

[1969Mach1Mike]

I thought it only lost lumbar support for the passenger seat. Am I wrong?

My bad you are totally correct. It was the lumbar. Still sucks though especially for road trips.

 

[pepper]

The fact that my MME is scheduled today for the week of 12/13 removes model Y that they promised to deliver in April out of consideration completely

This is the MME that you ordered just a few weeks ago?

 

[Rt1AWD]

This is the MME that you ordered just a few weeks ago?

Almost a month ago.....

 

[pepper]

Almost a month ago.....

Amazing, congrats! Hopefully I’m not far behind.

 

[deadduck]

I hear projector lamps are generally less distracting for oncoming drivers than reflector headlights. YMMV.

Honestly, no idea, so you could definitely be right.

 

[pt19713]

The why part is easy: To cut costs of parts and assembly. And brainwash people to think that less is more. Replace everything with the false full self-driving claim and charge even more for the non-existent feature. Claim that you don't need anything since the car will "soon" drive you to your destinations and earn money for you as a robotaxi. To cover other deficiencies, distract with fart app and Easter eggs.

I find the center screen perfect. When I was in a rental, I did not like having the info in front and below me. Once you own it a 3 or Y (or both), you'll come to realize all those things in the interior are, for the most part, unnecessary. The only thing where I feel Tesla should not have left out is the windshield wiper stalk is missing in the 3 & Y, even though the older S & X has it. I believe the reasoning is long-term and it's not cost savings, but they ultimately want control over every function through the UI for the robo-taxi or whatever they call it, for the fully autonomous driving. It's the same reason why the newer S & X no longer have it. Not for savings.

Talk to any owner and they'll, for the most part, tell you the same thing. The voice commands and center screen is perfectly fine.

Obviously all the Ford owners here will continue to bash these types of things. Don't know it til you have experience with it.

 

[pt19713]

In terms of insurance cost Tesla Y is the ultimate looser
see details here
https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/the-ultimate-mach-e-insurance-quotes-thread.2712/post-265204

Obviously shop around. There's a lot of variation on EV quotes between State Farm, Progressive, Geico, etc. I had Geico for years and they quoted 60% higher than State Farm on my Y. My Y costs the same to insurance as my wife's previous car, an SQ5. My premium is ~ $490/6 months, $0 deductible on comprehensive, $500 collision. The SQ5 was $510/6 months, same coverage.
Our 3P and YLR cost the same to insure as any vehicle in the same class.

 

[Falcon73]

I test drove drove a MYLR for the 3rd time yesterday. They seem amazed I keep going back after I already put in an order.

Some new comments on the MY.

1) The 19" wheels on this car were definitely better than the 20's on the other two I test drove. The ride seemed quieter and smoother.
2) My back started to sweat after only about 15 minutes and it wasn't a hot day or even in the middle of the day. This is a great concern as I will be using the car I get to frequently go to Palm Desert to visit my parents.
3) I still can't get over how poor the screen is in not facing the driver and not being able to use the map app with other apps at the same time (maybe I'm doing it wrong).
4) I was flapping with the wipers after figuring out how to do a windshield wash. The water kept running down after and I had to press it on the screen many times to clear it. Maybe I was doing it wrong, but not having an easy manual control for the wipers (?) is very disappointing and this is SoCal...
5) Small rear-window aside the visibility is noticeable better than our Volvo XC40.
6) Autopilot worked well again.
7) Having only one screen is still a real pain for me. I'm a numbers guy and always look at efficiency. Not being able to view it and the energy app at the same time is most annoying.
8) Oh yeah, one more thing. They didn't give me much time, so I didn't test charging and they said it wouldn't work on a SC yet as it's not linked yet.

Overall, my opinion of the MYLR improved with this test drive, but I would want to make the car better, with maybe some aftermarket mods. That adds even more to the already higher cost.

 

[Falcon73]

Well, I guess it pays to call more than one Ford dealer. A second dealer here has one I can test drive. I will be going up there this afternoon. So, I will finally be able to start making a +/- spreadsheet.

 

[voxel]

8) Oh yeah, one more thing. They didn't give me much time, so I didn't test charging and they said it wouldn't work on a SC yet as it's not linked yet.

Overall, my opinion of the MYLR improved with this test drive, but I would want to make the car better, with maybe some aftermarket mods. That adds even more to the already higher cost.

I'm trading in my ID.4 for a Model Y tomorrow and will drive that until my Mach-E order arrives.

I do have to say after supercharging with a Model 3 SR+ for a day (rented one from Turo) that Electrify America sucks rotten banana balls. And that's being nice with me having 3 free EA charging years. With the Tesla, it was get out, plugin, and charge. I got the EA process down to 20 seconds on my ID.4 but the Tesla was even easier... (tried it with 3 different chargers). EA can randomly fail or be annoying like not disconnect and pinging every hours for a full day - telling me I'm still connected and that idle fees will start.

One thing I have say with the Tesla Model 3 that I had for day - is that it is a flawless car. None of the glitching with my ID.4. Interior and exterior were perfect. The driving was planted and solid. Navigation just worked and told me end charge. It knew all the charging stations and the costs of each one. I drove it hard and there was no SUV body roll (it's a sedan). The Model Y is heavier and has some body roll though. The acceleration was perfectly linear and so was regen. I like the aggressive acceleration and braking of the Mach-e (when I test rode it) but I suspect I'd prefer the Tesla method for longer trips.

 

[Falcon73]

I successfully drove the Mach-E yesterday. The Santa Margarita Ford dealer keeps one just for test drives as it leads to more orders. This is a smart move as there's lots of interest.

Some notes on my test drive:

1. Yes, I like this car much more than the Tesla MYLR. Personal preference, but it just feels right.
2. The Mach-E has the charge port in the front, which is much more convenient.
3. The instrument cluster display is smaller than I expected, but it's good to have it.
4. However, I didn't see any indicators of immediate performance like a bar scale range type display, showing the power out or the regen rate. This is a curious omission.
5. I also didn't find a display showing my overall efficiency, but I see it on YouTube videos, so I need more time.
6. The Nav system failed to find Ford Santa Margarita many times. The dealer got it to work after a few tries when we got back, but the problem seems to be *extreme* lag, like almost a minute.
7. The infotainment system was otherwise good with acceptable lag.
8. Does the Key Fob need to be so fat? It's surprising, but not a huge deal.
9. Auto-Hold was very jarring coming out of at low speeds. The dealer should it can be disabled, but I wonder how that will help. The "gas" pedal is so touchy at low speed.
10. Braking felt very natural.
11. A little bumpier than I was expecting, about on par with the MYLR.
12. The MME's screen is quite hot to the touch. Lowering the brightness may have helped.
13. The audio gets loud fast. This is nice as I don't see a need for so many more steps of volume.
14. It has HD Radio and amazingly it has AM radio. This is the first BEV I've driven that has AM radio, a nice plus.
15. The purple camera lights I see on the MME videos aren't visible to the eye in person. That was a relief as they look so obtrusive on the videos.
16. I preferred Engage mode when driving the MME.
17. Like the MY there's no sun shade. This is a bummer and options to not have the glass roof are limited.

Overall it was very nice to finally get behind the wheel of an MME and I was quite impressed with it.

The Tesla, with its stripped down minimalism should be a LESS expensive car, then I might still be considering it right now. To me the benefit of the SC network is lost with super long lines/wait times to charge. And we charge at home mostly. Right now, it's been the Mach-E and the Audi Q4.

 

[pepper]

I would be interested in any feedback any of you may have on the projected long term reliability of the Mach-E. If I end up buying one in a few months, I will be an early adopter of a vehicle with lots of new technology for Ford. Tesla has had nearly a decade since they introduced the Model S to work out the issues, while Ford is still in the early stages. I intend to drive this car for at least 100K miles (and hopefully at least 200K) and don’t ever want to see a mechanic beyond simple maintenance items. I know this is possible with modern ICE cars. My Prius and Outback were both purchased new and now have over 100K each with absolutely zero issues, ever. I think Teslas are approaching that level of reliability if they aren’t there already. Based on anecdotal feedback from friends, I know that wasn’t the case for their 2012 or 2013 cars.

Nightmare scenario for me is to pay $50K+ for a car that spends weeks or months at a time in the shop. This has happened to a number of Mach-E owners, as evidenced by these battery issues:

• https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/stranded-stop-safely-now-12volt-battery-dies.8062/
• https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...ttery-module-full-battery-swap-required.7901/
• https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...he-dreaded-turtle-wrench-and-error-icon.7085/

For those specific threads above, they all seem affect very early versions of the car (first edition, built late 2020, early 2021) and seem to occur in very hot weather (90F+), at least as far as I can tell. I wonder if Ford has identified the root cause for these issues, or has made changes to 2022 models to ensure they don’t happen going forward.

More broadly, I wonder what kind of reliability I should expect over the next 100K miles. I suppose the simple answer is that no one knows yet since these haven’t been in the wild for that long. However, I’ll bet some owners out there have some sense on how it will go.

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