Help me decide: Mach-E or Model Y

[ARK]

It’s a fair question and one of the points I raised in my initial post (Advantage Tesla) but hasn’t really been discussed much in this thread after 200+ posts. That’s why I’m asking it again. Since the Mach-E would only be in its second year when I pick it up, I would not be surprised by the occasional software bug or minor warranty service. However, I would be regretting my decision if I had any of the experiences like the three I linked to a few posts back. I would not be too happy about getting stranded or being without a car for two months.

Also, I’m curious about your comment regarding long time EV ownership not being possible today. That doesn’t match with the positive experiences I’ve heard from my Tesla owning friends, though not having one myself maybe I’m missing something. One friend in particular has a high mileage Model S from 2013, and he still swears it’s the best car he’s purchased (apart from a few early production issues he got fixed under warranty).

I think many of the big early issues that came up with the Mach-E have been resolved. That being said, it is sort of an open question how well the powertrain will hold up in a decade’s time with 100,000 miles on the odometer. There is no specific reason to worry, it’s just a lack of data. On the other hand, with Tesla, after some early Model S issues, their powertrain has been extremely good from what I have heard, I’d be really surprised if Model Ys started encountering any major issues in that department.

But there is also a distinction to be made here, a car is a lot more than just the powertrain. On this front, I think Tesla has done less well, whether it’s an a/c issue, window issue, water leaking in the car issue, on non-powertrain stuff I think they are a bit underwhelming.

I’ve had a 2006 Mustang GT for 15 years, it has held up very well, even the non-powertrain stuff. Nothing really has broken, the interior looks very fresh despite this car spending the vast majority of its life outdoors under the SoCal sun. The a/c is still solid, nothing inside is peeling, etc. That makes me very optimistic for how the Mach-E will stand up in time.

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[pepper]

I think many of the big early issues that came up with the Mach-E have been resolved. That being said, it is sort of an open question how well the powertrain will hold up in a decade’s time with 100,000 miles on the odometer. There is no specific reason to worry, it’s just a lack of data. On the other hand, with Tesla, after some early Model S issues, their powertrain has been extremely good from what I have heard, I’d be really surprised if Model Ys started encountering any major issues in that department.

But there is also a distinction to be made here, a car is a lot more than just the powertrain. On this front, I think Tesla has done less well, whether it’s an a/c issue, window issue, water leaking in the car issue, on non-powertrain stuff I think they are a bit underwhelming.

I’ve had a 2006 Mustang GT for 15 years, it has held up very well, even the non-powertrain stuff. Nothing really has broken, the interior looks very fresh despite this car spending the vast majority of its life outdoors under the SoCal sun. The a/c is still solid, nothing inside is peeling, etc. That makes me very optimistic for how the Mach-E will stand up in time.

Thanks! I’m sure they’re working on resolving issues that crop up, and I’m grateful to all the early adopters in the past year who have essentially beta tested a brand new car design.

So I am curious, how did all do the battery issues (see links in my earlier post) get resolved? I looked but maybe didn’t read everything. I don’t see a lot of recent postings on the topic. I got the sense that some of these were related to the hot Texas weather, but couldn’t tell for sure.

 

[ARK]

Thanks! I’m sure they’re working on resolving issues that crop up, and I’m grateful to all the early adopters in the past year who have essentially beta tested a brand new car design.

So I am curious, how did all do the battery issues (see links in my earlier post) get resolved? I looked but maybe didn’t read everything. I don’t see a lot of recent postings on the topic. I got the sense that some of these were related to the hot Texas weather, but couldn’t tell for sure.

I think one of them had a specific faulty part identified which I haven’t heard come up again, but for most people it was the result of the 12v battery inexplicably draining and Ford pushed out a software fix that required a dealer visit to address (see here).

Basically, Ford sent engineers to people who experienced that issue and pushed the fix to all Mach-Es through a technical service bulletin once the engineers figured out what was going on.

 

[trutolife27]

Yep with the 2,000 price increase at tesla and another 500.00 price increase coming after November. The mache is at a good price point now. Pretty much prices are going to keep going up for other BEV this year also. Crazy times.

 

[voxel]

Yep with the 2,000 price increase at tesla and another 500.00 price increase coming after November. The mache is at a good price point now. Pretty much prices are going to keep going up for other BEV this year also. Crazy times.

The real killer is not the prices, but the wait time for the Model Y Long Range (the most comparable to a Premium AWD Extended Range - $58K). It is August 2022 now for a base model in white that is $57K. They manufacture 200K+ MYs a year too.

Hopefully Ford can produce and deliver Mach-Es faster. I'm not expecting my orders to be fulfilled before July/August but if somehow they arrived in April/May I'd be very happy.

 

[trutolife27]

The real killer is not the prices, but the wait time for the Model Y Long Range (the most comparable to a Premium AWD Extended Range - $58K). It is August 2022 now for a base model in white that is $57K. They manufacture 200K+ MYs a year too.

Hopefully Ford can produce and deliver Mach-Es faster. I'm not expecting my orders to be fulfilled before July/August but if somehow they arrived in April/May I'd be very happy.

wait times are increasing for all still. Ford also has the x plan and we will see if any incentives for 2022. The tesla kicker like many have posted before is the tesla up charges. You want the nice rims and white interior and red paint, add another 5,000. Model y long range now is 62,000.

 

[voxel]

wait times are increasing for all still. Ford also has the x plan and we will see if any incentives for 2022. The tesla kicker like many have posted before is the tesla up charges. You want the nice rims and white interior and red paint, add another 5,000. Model y long range now is 62,000.

Ford upcharges too. I'm paying $795 extra for Cyber Orange. $5K for the Extended Battery. Some trims like GT you have to add pano roof and Co-Pilot/BlueCruise... and there's summer tire upgrades also.

What's missing with the Mach-E are rim changes and the ability to make it a 7-seater ($3K upcharge on Tesla). Personally don't care about the weird rim/tire choices but if I had to redo my MLYR order it would be for a 7 seater. The extra seats take almost no space when folded. The space is pretty useless for storage already.

Wait times for the most expensive Tesla trims like the Model 3 Performance or Model Y Performance are 2 months instead of 10. Ford might go that route too because of parts shortages. VW already has. They produce the highest ID.4 Gradient trim (bunch of useless cosmetic additions) first and the wait times are up to 3 months less than for the cheapo base model.

 

[trutolife27]

Ford upcharges too. I'm paying $795 extra for Cyber Orange. $5K for the Extended Battery. Some trims like GT you have to add pano roof and Co-Pilot/BlueCruise... and there's summer tire upgrades also.

What's missing with the Mach-E are rim changes and the ability to make it a 7-seater ($3K upcharge on Tesla). Personally don't care about the weird rim/tire choices but if I had to redo my MLYR order it would be for a 7 seater. The extra seats take almost no space when folded. The space is pretty useless for storage already.

Wait times for the most expensive Tesla trims like the Model 3 Performance or Model Y Performance are 2 months instead of 10. Ford might go that route too because of parts shortages. VW already has. They produce the highest ID.4 Gradient trim (bunch of useless cosmetic additions) first and the wait times are up to 3 months less than for the cheapo base model.

795 for paint that you cant get with tesla. red is 2,000 on tesla. black or grey interior for free. tesla 1,000 more. Premium AWD vs Telsa long range is the price point as gt vs performance. the up chargers for the mache are way way less. Not even comparable. 5 no charge paint colors vs just white for tesla. again not even close in those.

 

[ARK]

Ford upcharges too. I'm paying $795 extra for Cyber Orange. $5K for the Extended Battery. Some trims like GT you have to add pano roof and Co-Pilot/BlueCruise... and there's summer tire upgrades also.

What's missing with the Mach-E are rim changes and the ability to make it a 7-seater ($3K upcharge on Tesla). Personally don't care about the weird rim/tire choices but if I had to redo my MLYR order it would be for a 7 seater. The extra seats take almost no space when folded. The space is pretty useless for storage already.

Wait times for the most expensive Tesla trims like the Model 3 Performance or Model Y Performance are 2 months instead of 10. Ford might go that route too because of parts shortages. VW already has. They produce the highest ID.4 Gradient trim (bunch of useless cosmetic additions) first and the wait times are up to 3 months less than for the cheapo base model.

Ford often gets flack because of dealers asking for preposterous markup amounts above MSRP. But the Model Y Long Range is now a full $8,000 more expensive than it was compared to 8 months ago ($48,990 vs $56,990) for the exact same car.

It’s not somehow not a markup just because it comes from the manufacturer, everyone has to pay it, and there is no opportunity to negotiate it down or try a different retailer. It’s still real money out of someone’s wallet and, unlike with Mach-E markups, this $8,000 price hike doesn’t give the buyer the chance to cut the line if the buyer is willing to pay it.

 

[voxel]

Ford often gets flack because of dealers asking for preposterous markup amounts above MSRP. But the Model Y Long Range is now a full $8,000 more expensive than it was compared to 8 months ago ($48,990 vs $56,990) for the exact same car.

It’s not somehow not a markup just because it comes from the manufacturer, everyone has to pay it, and there is no opportunity to negotiate it down or try a different retailer. It’s still real money out of someone’s wallet and, unlike with Mach-E markups, this $8,000 price hike doesn’t give the buyer the chance to cut the line if the buyer is willing to pay it.

I cut the line (you can too) if you find a car in Tesla inventory page like I did this week - which I recently picked up. I paid the current marked up price ($6K over what it was 8 months ago but right before the $2K markup) and traded in my ID.4

Ford and Tesla both honor order prices even if they are 9 months old. Ford just doesn’t change new pricing on the fly like Tesla but I argue they should. Tesla mentioned they had to fly in parts from overseas because of shipping by ocean delays. Would you pay an extra $2-4K to have your Mach-E 3-6 months earlier?

Now with dealerships, they start tacking on dealer and doc fees on the backend. There’s no legal limit to them in FL(they are around $500-$900 for each). Some dealers force you to pay for tint and random extras because they upon getting the car perform the work on it and you can’t remove the extra. Because of short supply and high demand, everyone is trying squeeze something from the customer.

 

[Mach1E]

I cut the line (you can too) if you find a car in Tesla inventory page like I did this week - which I recently picked up. I paid the current marked up price ($6K over what it was 8 months ago but right before the $2K markup) and traded in my ID.4

Ford and Tesla both honor order prices even if they are 9 months old. Ford just doesn’t change new pricing on the fly like Tesla but I argue they should. Tesla mentioned they had to fly in parts from overseas because of shipping by ocean delays. Would you pay an extra $2-4K to have your Mach-E 3-6 months earlier?

Now with dealerships, they start tacking on dealer and doc fees on the backend. There’s no legal limit to them in FL(they are around $500-$900 for each). Some dealers force you to pay for tint and random extras because they upon getting the car perform the work on it and you can’t remove the extra. Because of short supply and high demand, everyone is trying squeeze something from the customer.

Ford (and every other manufacturer) does change pricing on the fly.

It’s the incentives (finance rates and rebates) that change monthly.

 

[macchiaz-o]

Ford (and every other manufacturer) does change pricing on the fly.

It’s the incentives (finance rates and rebates) that change monthly.

Yep. And in the Mach-E's case, there was a full on price reduction at the start of ordering. It made SOOO many people here upset (that they were saving money). Fun times.

 

[pt19713]

I test drove drove a MYLR for the 3rd time yesterday. They seem amazed I keep going back after I already put in an order.

Some new comments on the MY.

7) Having only one screen is still a real pain for me. I'm a numbers guy and always look at efficiency. Not being able to view it and the energy app at the same time is most annoying.

You're probably not familiar with the UI, yet. You can display both the efficiency on the lower left and review the consumption over the last 5/15/30 miles. The numbers on the lower left is for the current drive or since the last charge, or trip meter.

This main screen shows the Trip summary, but if you click on Consumption, it'll show the last 5/15/30 miles, so you can have both up simultaneously.

 

[silverelan]

Model Y just went up another $1000. Starting MSRP is $59k for the basic white one. Even if Tesla gets reinstated to the Federal EV tax credit, it's already been devoured by Tesla.

 

[ARK]

Model Y just went up another $1000. Starting MSRP is $59k for the basic white one. Even if Tesla gets reinstated to the Federal EV tax credit, it's already been devoured by Tesla.

Wow, that and then some. Up a full $10,000 since February.

I know Tesla allows people to delay taking delivery. I'm not sure how it works exactly, but if someone had locked in that February price ($48,990) and are waiting for a new tax credit law, they will really make bank and have won car buying in 2021, if the tax credit ends up passing and they take delivery for $48,990 minus the new/possible tax credit. On the flipside, probably the worst price move someone could make right now is if they bought a MY out of inventory with the brand new $58,990 price and without any new tax credit law in effect to lower it.

I guess with Ford, if you are not careful in choosing your dealer, you might have to deal with ADM (Additional Dealer Markup), but with Tesla, if you are not careful with timing, you might have to deal with AMM (Additional Manufacturer Markup).

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