Help me decide: Mach-E or Model Y

[kkgg]

I am in the same boat here. You said you reserved both (I guess you are ready to loose one of the deposit amount). Here is my dilemma/take anyway

- Mach E Have skinner tiers and weighs heavy (as much as a model X). Heavier car skinnier tires - you tell me if that could impact handling, stopping/braking.
- Mach E Charges slower than TESLA (I think we can safely ignore this)
- Mach E still has Tax credit
- Teslas Heat pump is efficient than Mach E (ignore if not living in colder climate)
- Mach E Has Carplay/Android auto and physical buttons (very good)
- Mach E build quality is better than Tesla.
- Model Y has heated back seats too (not even an option in Mach E)
- Mach E ground clearance is low if that matters(too low to the ground for an "SUV")
- Mach E range estimate is accurate in real world

my brain wants Model Y, but my heart wants Mach E.
I ordered a Mach E too, but still not decided

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[tuminatr]

I looked at both of the Model Y and Mach E, I also got to drive both the local tesla dealer let me take one overnight. The local ford dealer let me take one for the afternoon I could have pushed and they would have let me take it for the weekend.

I thought both cars drove very well the tesla I borrowed was Long-range with a 20" wheel option. Openly I could tell it had more grip than the mustang. That is however a $2000 option and I could probably buy a set of 20" wheels and tires for the mustang at the same kind of money and get the looks I would want.

I liked the placement of the items in the mustang The actual dash / speedo on the mach e vs none on the tesla, the doors worked better I like the push button, the dash was nice. The 360 camera for parking is sweet and the cost for assisted driving was considerably cheaper although not as deluxe as Tesla autopilot. I like android auto and tesla does not offer that yet.

In other words the Ford I think would be an easier transition from ICE to EV

I like the looks of the Mach E the tesla look is becoming dated. I do also like the idea of a much larger service network and the ability to buy parts that ford offers.

and I get a $7500 tax credit

I did end up buying a Premium ER AWD Mach E and feel I made the right choice, for me

 

[Franchise]

I did get a test drive in both. In fact, Tesla let me take their Model Y overnight. For that reason, the Model Y is the current vote winner from my wife and daughter (who haven't seen the Mach-E yet). I will say, allowing customers to take one overnight is a brilliant marketing move.

Find a MME on Turo. Drive it overnight.

 

[duneii]

I hope you’re right about delivery dates getting better. The Tesla order says it will be here Feb 19-Mar 19. The Ford will hopefully show up around the same time.

For Ford, unless something unexpected comes up (issue for your car, parts issue last minute, damaged in transport, etc.), I found the scheduled build week was right on within one week. Transport was another 4 to 6 weeks for the west coast.

I don't know if I missed it @pepper: How long do you intend to keep it?
We too went though the Y vs. Mach-E debate but Y was $50k at that time. If keeping longer, some things to keep in mind:
1. Ride and quietness on hwy. Y likely will get quieter and better ride with a model update in 2 to 4 years to catch up to competing EVs.
2. Ford is being ultra conservative with a 100kwh battery. Likely maintaining range longer than Y when comparing 3+ year old vehicles.
3. Tire sizes and acceleration are hard to change. So, Y will have the advantage of wider tires and better immediate acceleration... Though if you want to feel acceleration, get a sport bike... Cars simply don't compare.
4. Related to item 2, Tesla has good charging curves which is what really matters for fast charging on road trips. If Ford did did get more aggressive via an update or adding 10min per the few times you fast charge is not a big deal, this isn't an issue. But if you fast charge often, this becomes tiring. Note: I expect the DC fast charge issues to be not a problem in 2 years for any ev in America with ccs port... Just my educated guess... Nothing more.
5. Depreciation on the Ford is harder to know in 4+ years than Tesla. If tax credit expires, suddenly used Mach-Es will be worth more as they will compare better vs new ones that no longer have a $7500 credit. For Y, zero to minimal upside to used prices going up as new ones don't have the tax credit.
6. Finally, if keeping longer and you believe Tesla will have true self driving, that can be a factor if you need it as Ford does not promise it. Personally, I don't expect any car to have it in next 5 years on public roads. On highways, the best of breed level 2 in Mach-E, Tesla, Super Cruise, etc are all good enough today without paying $10k extra.


So for us, we got the Mach-E awd for around $56k and got the $2.5k deposit we had on the $50k model y back. Only thing we don't like is the PaaK. Ford really landed the full package with the Mach-E.

Side bonus: Folks on Mach-E forums are nicer to help, give suggestions, or just inject some humor (shades of grey thread) than Tesla folks.

 

[voxel]

2. Ford is being ultra conservative with a 100kwh battery. Likely maintaining range longer than Y when comparing 3+ year old vehicles.

I keep seeing this repeated but we don't know. The MME could have the same battery cooling issue as the EV6/Ioniq5 and when battery temps reach 45-50C... the system throttles down power. And give how Ford throttles charging at 80% (actually their entire charging curve is less than even the lowly ID.4 - either too conservative or the battery cooling mechanism is not as robust).

Buy the MME for being a better car than the Model Y... I'm not convinced the MME is the better performance car. I think a 800V car like the EV6 GT with almost 600hp will spank it (when it doesn't thermal down... lol).

 

[pepper]

I don't know if I missed it @pepper: How long do you intend to keep it?

Yeah good question. I always say I’m going to keep a car for 200K but end up selling it at 120K, unless it turns out to be a lemon then it’s gone. Bottom line is I plan to keep this one for a long time. Your comment about resale value is interesting. It seems I could turn around and sell a new Tesla for a profit. If the Ford tax credit disappears, maybe the same will be true there. Unless these cars start having lots of problems in a few years. This is something I need to do a bit more research on, since I haven’t heard much yet about the Mach-E long term reliability.

 

[Jscotty]

Just like most of everyone else I compared both and couldn’t decided. I even ordered both the MY and the MME because I couldn’t pick. I ended up buying the MME for all the same reasons as everyone mentioned.

I can say if you are on the fence about AWD or RWD in the MME I wish I went with the AWD. I ordered a premium AWD ext. and my order got delayed. I started looking at local dealer but got frustrated with mark ups. I found a RT1 they were selling at MSRP same color that I wanted. I got impatient and pulled the trigger on the RT1. The acceleration and torque is so much better in the AWD in my opinion. I didn’t notice it at first because of the excitement but now I do. It’s definitely not Tesla quick but I notice a difference. I’m actually thinking about taking a hit and maybe trading into a GT for the suspension and speed.

If you do go with the MME just have patience with the tech. I can say it’s pretty bad. Tesla has an advantage as in they started from the ground up and can make thing work like they want. I feel like ford is trying to overlap a lot of thing and it’s just not working. Paak is a joke. The UI is slow at start up. 1 pedal braking is not smooth at all when coming to a complete stop. Not a fan of the lane assist and intelligent cruise. I feel like it doesn’t keep me in my lane very well and bounces off the lanes a lot. I’m hoping blue cruise will fix this. The ride is definitely smooth but can be very bouncy at times. I too live in ca and know how bad our roads are. Navigation is bad. Apple car play is constantly disconnecting or can’t reconnect after a phone call. Ford pass is horrible. OTA are slow but I’m hoping all these thing get fixed soon. Ford is constantly working and hiring better people. I can say that they are doing an amazing job at listening and trying to make corrections. That being said I kinda of expected some hiccups being the first generation.

If you are a tech guy and like the UI stuff and love the acceleration that never gets old. You want to see the kw your actually getting or using in the car I would say Tesla. If you’re more of a car guy and quality matters ford has been spot on. Hopefully this helps because I know the feeling and wanted someone to be honest with me.

 

[macchiaz-o]

Folks on Mach-E forums ... just inject some humor

To be fair, the humor's freely available to all. You don't even need a car, just an internet connection.

Humor is our life force. ?

It's why I've bookmarked this site.

 

[Jonno21]

360 degree camera - It really helps with parallel parking and parking lots where the lines are drawn tightly and you’re not sure if you are too far left or right in your spot and want to check/make an adjustment.

This is what really swung it for me as UK parking spaces are very narrow. I think the width specification has not been changed to take into account wider cars.

 

[duneii]

I keep seeing this repeated but we don't know. The MME could have the same battery cooling issue as the EV6/Ioniq5 and when battery temps reach 45-50C... the system throttles down power.

I think your point might be talking about my point #4 about charge curves.
In point #2, I was referring to the physical capacity (about 100kwh) vs. Advertised usable capacity (89 or 91kwh). In the Tesla forums, for complain about the large first drop in usable capacity.

 

[thetbg]

I am in the same boat as you, I put an order on both My and MME, I test drove both vehicles up and down El Camino Royale also. I found the MME to be quieter, more comfortable and the inclusion of Satellite radio and android auto to be invaluable, the MY has a better infotainment center, I liked how I could see thee vehicles around me, and the ride is a more responsive ride, I am in the minority here, but I like the styling more on the MY than on the MME.

 

[voxel]

I think your point might be talking about my point #4 about charge curves.
In point #2, I was referring to the physical capacity (about 100kwh) vs. Advertised usable capacity (89 or 91kwh). In the Tesla forums, for complain about the large first drop in usable capacity.

Charging (#4) and acceleration. Folks speculate that Ford is hampering charging and 1/4 mile acceleration to preserve battery life but I argue we don’t know why. Is it poor battery cooling? (this affects charging too) Low quality battery cells? Or Ford just being conservative for financial/warranty reasons?

The charging curve mostly stays under 1C. Why? Poor quality li-ions? Poor cooling? It’s 17 kWh larger than the ID.4 and thus should easily be able to charge at a higher kW rate (1C for 100 kWh pack is 100 kW charge rate) but it does not. The lowly ID.4 bests it.

https://insideevs.com/news/492727/ford-mustang-mache-fast-charging-analysis/

The Ioniq 5 was able to charge at 220+ kW and that’s almost 3C given it’s 77 kWh battery - with an average rate of 1.9C. We know from Bjorns video that the voltage sag is very low on the Ioniq 5 which implies an excellent high quality battery.

https://insideevs.com/news/501936/hyundai-ioniq5-fast-charging-example/

 

[BadgerGreg]

All I can say is that both cars are pretty damn good. For me, the differentiator is the fact that the Mach E’s disadvantages are mainly infrastructure and software related (stuff that can be solved as charging networks expand and software updates are rolled out). Tesla’s key disadvantages are structural (inferior build quality) and can’t be solved with software updates. In other words, both cars are currently evenly-matched, but Tesla’s advantages are going to dissolve over the next year or two, which makes the Mach E more appealing in the long term. That, and the $7,500 credit.

 

[JonathanEzor]

Advantage Tesla Model Y

• Known reliability. Tesla has been making EVs for a while now, and has straightened out a lot of early production issues. Ford is just getting started, so there are likely to be a lot more issues for the first few years. Will a 2022 Mach-E be as reliable as a 2022 Model Y? What will the difference in cost of ownership be in 10 years?

To be clear, Ford has had EVs and PHEVs for quite some time; the Ford Focus Electric came out in 2011, and the C-MAX Energi and Fusion Energi powertrain twins came out soon afterwards. Ford may not have been building *performance* EVs or ground-up EVs all that long, but it has plenty of experience in things like electric motors, batteries, regenerative braking, etc. {Jonathan}

 

[Mikey Mach E]

I did get a test drive in both. In fact, Tesla let me take their Model Y overnight. For that reason, the Model Y is the current vote winner from my wife and daughter (who haven't seen the Mach-E yet). I will say, allowing customers to take one overnight is a brilliant marketing move.

You can also test drive the Mach E via the TURO platform. I live in San Diego and list mine on the platform. There are seven other MachE’s with different configuration also in San Diego. So I hope you have at least one in your area. If not, fly to San Diego for vacation and try ours out. Here is the link:
Check out my car on Turo!
https://turo.com/us/en/suv-rental/united-states/san-diego-ca/ford/mustang-mach-e/893369

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