mr_raider
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Do you have some form of charging at destination?
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That is a key question.Do you have some form of charging at destination?
I own a Tesla Model 3 and it is my first winter with the car. I live even more north than you and here is my point of view on winter anxiety range:I have my Mach E on order (and now understand that it will be delayed...no big deal to me) and planned on using it as my daily word driver. I drive about 100-150 miles/day, so I ordered the Select with the Standard Range battery. Should be good to cover my daily route, right? RigHT?!? Well, I talk to a guy that I work with in Dearborn that has had access to work with the car and he says that he hasn't been getting good charges in the colder weather (has been been a mild winter so far with a few cold days here in Detroit area this year). That conversation led me to the internet, and google led me to this forum.
After some scouring, I've learned a lot. But, I still don't know much. But, afaik, if I get the Standard Range, I have to max charge to 90%, so I'm down to roughly 210 mile day to day range. In the freezing cold, I can expect about 60% or that, right? Or, is it 60% or the 230 mile range? Either way we are looking at either roughly 126 or 138 mile range?
How long will a battery last if it is used daily to the max (i.e. driven every day from 90% down to probably 10%)? I drive about 20,000 miles per year on my work vehicles.
Originally, I thought that an electric would save me a ton on gas, but if I a) can't finish my daily commute or b) kill a battery too rapidly, I'm not sure this would make much sense.
Any input or knowledge dropped would be appreciated ?
This. People act as if range is a fixed number. it's not. As you've described, a driver has quite a bit of ability to change the range by slowing down, using the heated seats, or preheating the vehicle.I own a Tesla Model 3 and it is my first winter with the car. I live even more north than you and here is my point of view on winter anxiety range:
- on some really cold days my effeciency will drop significantly (30-40%) but I compensate as much as I can with speed and cabin heat, plus other tricks.
- in my experience speed is the biggest factor if in your daily commute you drive mostly on a highway.
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I know this all seems overwhelming but it is really just adjusting our habits. I love driving electric even though I probably live in a more difficult climate than most. I hope this helps !
Or just order the California Route 1 which already comes with the aero wheel covers.As others have said, if you plug in at work, that could solve your potential problem. Even a L1 charger could add around 24 miles on an 8 hour workday to give you more of a buffer.
If Ford or a third-party start selling aftermarket aero wheel covers to improve range, that might improve your total range by several miles as Car and Driver found it did on a Model 3 - see link.
Your range figures might also be slightly better than expected if Ford used a Premium as opposed to Select to calculate the range for the standard range vehicles. The Premium with the slightly larger wheels and heavier (and less insulated) glass roof should give slightly worse mileage then a Select.
I think for 100 miles of driving you have absolutely no issue but for 150, as another person said, an extended range version would be the much safer bet. For example, if your typical winter commute has you blasting the heat in freezing weather while cruising at 80mph on an open highway on your way to and from work for close to 150 miles each day, I don’t know if the Select SR RWD will be a good choice.
Note that if you're using heat there is a speed/heat consumption tradeoff:- on some really cold days my effeciency will drop significantly (30-40%) but I compensate as much as I can with speed and cabin heat, plus other tricks.
- in my experience speed is the biggest factor if in your daily commute you drive mostly on a highway. The difference between 70 mph and 55 mph could be easily over 10% effecincy. My best advice.... on a cold day drive slower, which you should anyway cause it could be icy
Except practically, most mainstream drivers aren't interested in going without cabin heat, or limping along well below the speed limit, in their fancy new $50,000 car.People act as if range is a fixed number. it's not. As you've described, a driver has quite a bit of ability to change the range by slowing down, using the heated seats, or preheating the vehicle.
Here's another angle... If one refuses to freeze their nose off and turns on cabin heat, slowing down means taking longer to get there. Which means more use of cabin heat (which can be a high power drain). Depending on how cold it is outside and how much the heater draws, it's possible it might be better to speed up and get their quicker.Sure slowing reduces your power consumption due to motor usage but it may increase the heat power consumption greater than the reduction and thus you may use more battery slowing down.
Unless you have a charging option at work that you can use on a daily basis in the winter, you are cutting it really close on range during the winter months. In your case I would definitely go with the longer range battery.I have my Mach E on order (and now understand that it will be delayed...no big deal to me) and planned on using it as my daily word driver. I drive about 100-150 miles/day, so I ordered the Select with the Standard Range battery. Should be good to cover my daily route, right? RigHT?!? Well, I talk to a guy that I work with in Dearborn that has had access to work with the car and he says that he hasn't been getting good charges in the colder weather (has been been a mild winter so far with a few cold days here in Detroit area this year). That conversation led me to the internet, and google led me to this forum.
After some scouring, I've learned a lot. But, I still don't know much. But, afaik, if I get the Standard Range, I have to max charge to 90%, so I'm down to roughly 210 mile day to day range. In the freezing cold, I can expect about 60% or that, right? Or, is it 60% or the 230 mile range? Either way we are looking at either roughly 126 or 138 mile range?
How long will a battery last if it is used daily to the max (i.e. driven every day from 90% down to probably 10%)? I drive about 20,000 miles per year on my work vehicles.
Originally, I thought that an electric would save me a ton on gas, but if I a) can't finish my daily commute or b) kill a battery too rapidly, I'm not sure this would make much sense.
Any input or knowledge dropped would be appreciated ?
You're making the exact same point I was... LOLHere's another angle... If one refuses to freeze their nose off and turns on cabin heat, slowing down means taking longer to get there. Which means more use of cabin heat (which can be a high power drain). Depending on how cold it is outside and how much the heater draws, it's possible it might be better to speed up and get their quicker.
Would be an interesting test to see which uses more power -- increasing speed from 60 to 70 MPH, or using cabin heat for an extra 20 minutes?
I just figured that out. I didn't read that carefully enough.You're making the exact same point I was... LOL
I also ordered a California Route 1 the window sticker in Big Red Letters has not for sale do not ship I believe Jamie had the same thing still waiting for mine to ship wondering about the others?You're making the exact same point I was... LOL
Yup mine had the big red letters until 1/5 (it was built on 12/17).I also ordered a California Route 1 the window sticker in Big Red Letters has not for sale do not ship I believe Jamie had the same thing still waiting for mine to ship wondering about the others?
My build date was December 17th, and switch to awaiting shipment on December 30th with the email Thursday ETA change from January 28th to March 24thI also ordered a California Route 1 the window sticker in Big Red Letters has not for sale do not ship I believe Jamie had the same thing still waiting for mine to ship wondering about the others?