Is the Mach-E really 7 years behind Tesla?

[JamieGeek]

I'm ignorant on this topic, but I thought they made dollies for rear wheels.

Yeah that is possible if the dolly has a turntable which ours does not. Which would mean we would have to get a new dolly and a RWD version of the Mach-E.

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[JamieGeek]

Won't really know that until Ford releases an owner's manual.

In general people tow cars backwards all the time.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Not when you consider costs. DC fast chargers cost $10,000-$40,000 per unit, plus installation and are only practical if 3-phase electric is available. Level 2 chargers make much more sense for hotels where people usually charge overnight. They can install tens of units (requiring only 2-phase 220/240v) for less cost than a single DCFC and can scale their installation as use goes up. Install a few and when they start being used all the time, add a few more, etc.
Few restaurants or retail establishments can fork out the cost of a DCFC, so those are generally cooperative ventures with a commercial charging firm like EVgo, EA, etc.

 

[Nak]

You need a new electrician, LOL. A new 400a service runs about $20K. If your guy is charging you $50K for six level 2 chargers, has he also offered to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge? ROFL.

Even if six chargers were the same cost as a DC fast charger--and they're not by a long shot--anyone that had ever actually owned and driven an EV will tell you that for an overnight stay at a hotel 6 level 2 chargers are WAY, WAY better than one DC fast charger. Maybe it's not inconvenient for you when your mom has to go check at 1:00 AM to see if the charger is open, but for adults who actually have to do it, it is a big deal. Not to mention the hotel operator's motivation. The hotel owner is installing a charger to encourage people to stay at their hotel, not so someone can charge for an hour and leave.

Destination L2 chargers are expanding because they're cheap. Free advertising and increased traffic more than pay for the charger. That simply is not the case for a DC fast charger. Anyone who is an adult and has had to balance their budget knows this intuitively.

 

[Nak]

You make no sense LYTMCQ.

That's a great price from your utility. If that's complete. New service isn't just a transformer. It's getting the service installed; if you can get it for $7500, that's a deal. Your utility is good. But that just means you think your electrician is going to charge you $62,500 for six L2 chargers. How much is he charging you for that bridge?

Yes, as users we'd like a DC fast charger. Duh. That isn't what you were trying to say. You claimed it's just as cheap to put in a DC fast charger as it is to put in 6 L2 chargers. Which is so patently ridiculous that decorum prohibits me from even trying to respond properly. So, no, it's not a choice for most businesses to put in an L3 charger or an L2 charger. The choice is to put in one or more L2 chargers or not to put in a charger at all. Why should a business pay to install to L3 charger so you can be gone in 38 minutes? They want to get a return on their investment.

Someday when you actually do get an EV, you'll find that L2 destination chargers are a great deal. Plug in to an L2 and get 60 - 90 miles of range while you have dinner. Most of the time that's all you need to stretch to the next full charge.

 

[Nak]

Even if we are to accept your numbers--concrete can get expensive--your case would be highly unusual. You were very clear that any business might as well install one L3 charging as opposed to six L2 chargers. You claim it's the same cost. Maybe in some weird install where the extra pads would cost as much as an L3 charger. Most places that would consider installing a destination charger don't have any of those issues. They can hook up to existing service and use existing parking. That's why everyone does it that way. Look at the Plugshare map. How many L3 destination chargers do you see? Is everyone stupid, but you? Even in a situation such as you describe, the choice still wouldn't be L2 or L3. It would be nothing. An investment in a destination charger that costs that much would never, ever, pay for itself.

 

[Scrannel]

Now #1 BEV seller in Norway is Audi - . Tesla S and X are not selling anymore -
MAYBE Mach E will join Audi ?

Deceptive. E-tron may outsell S and X, however in Norway more than 30% of all newly registered cars are Tesla Model 3. (Which makes Tesla the best selling ev in Norway -- not Audi).

Though I own a Model 3, I am not a Tesla fanboy. In fact I joined this forum because my wife very interested in the e. My primary reasons for buying an ev are:
1. Reduced pollution over ICE cars.
2. Never having to go to a gas station again.
3. Massively reduced "service" requirements. This last is what will make us decide on the e-mach. So, I'm scouting, not trolling.

 

[dbsb3233]

L2 at hotels is practical for any hotel guests with BEVs. You're right that that's probably only 2-3% of the public right now, but that % should be increasing each year.

 

[ChasingCoral]

L2 at hotels is practical for any hotel guests with BEVs. You're right that that's probably only 2-3% of the public right now, but that % should be increasing each year.

Most importantly to the hotels, these are their customers. Travelers with BEVs will choose hotels with chargers.

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