Kia Charging vs Mach-E

[horsiedad]

Yep and if he plugs in on a cold day at a similar state of charge, he might even get better charging speed than the EV6 - see the InsideEVS race to vegas video where the Ioniq5 cold-throttled hard.

You all are missing the point. This is my third Mach-E over the past two years. My first was a grabber blue First Edition. My second a cyber orange GTPE (which I still have). My third is my wife's PE (which is in the picture). I used to regularly see charging rates north of 150 KW. Now I'm lucky if I see 110 KW. Just last night at 45% SOC and 55 degrees F ambient temperature, the most I saw was 76 KW.

I'm guessing that Ford has slowed down the charging rate at DC fast chargers due to the problem with contactors welding shut. I'm wondering if anybody else has experienced a slowdown in DC fast charging as well?

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[ThatGuyLando]

Hmm, I'd get the ev6 for the convinience, but then I'd be stuck with that rear end...

 

[SWO]

You all are missing the point. This is my third Mach-E over the past two years. My first was a grabber blue First Edition. My second a cyber orange GTPE (which I still have). My third is my wife's PE (which is in the picture). I used to regularly see charging rates north of 150 KW. Now I'm lucky if I see 110 KW. Just last night at 45% SOC and 55 degrees F ambient temperature, the most I saw was 76 KW.

I'm guessing that Ford has slowed down the charging rate at DC fast chargers due to the problem with contactors welding shut. I'm wondering if anybody else has experienced a slowdown in DC fast charging as well?

You are describing a charger problem, not a vehicle problem IMO.

 

[iankellogg]

also 110kw is kind of the normal charge rate for the car after that initial burst to 150kw (if its allowed to). It drops from 110kw down to 60kw right until 80% then it drops to around 40kw and tapers off at 95%.

This only applies when the battery is warm. all rates are reduced when below 70 degrees. this car is not a very fast charging car and nothing has changed to make it worse.

 

[Nklem]

Yes 14%-80% in 20 Mins with Kia Hyundai is pretty cool. The highest I saw was 195 kW.

 

[Schmetsky]

The KIA has an 800v battery, Mach E has a 400v battery.

I have seen some YouTube reviews that think Ford might could update to the 800v architecture with an over the air update. The videos are wrong, right?

 

[kltye]

I have seen some YouTube reviews that think Ford might could update to the 800v architecture with an over the air update. The videos are wrong, right?

Right.

Also, it's not just to do with 400v vs 800v.
1) Mach-E has a low nominal pack voltage even among 400v architectures. We barely breach 400v at 100% SoC.
2) We don't even sustain the maximum amperage for 150kW chargers for any significant amount of time. 150kW chargers usually max out at 350a or so; I've seen the car step down to 300a after just a couple minutes, no matter the pack temperature or outside temperature.

 

[AZBill]

I have seen some YouTube reviews that think Ford might could update to the 800v architecture with an over the air update. The videos are wrong, right?

Definitely wrong, would take a major hardware change.

 

[silverelan]

AWD EV6 and Ioniq 5 charge insanely fast but it’s irrelevant for 300 miles or less vs MME 4X.

Drive 100-200 miles, plug in at
Walmart, go inside to use the bathroom then come back to the car. Drive another 100-200 miles until 300 miles is reached.

That single EA Walmart stop will be 12-15 mins which will get the MME 4X enough charge for 25-30%.

 

[Sam2084]

You all are missing the point. This is my third Mach-E over the past two years. My first was a grabber blue First Edition. My second a cyber orange GTPE (which I still have). My third is my wife's PE (which is in the picture). I used to regularly see charging rates north of 150 KW. Now I'm lucky if I see 110 KW. Just last night at 45% SOC and 55 degrees F ambient temperature, the most I saw was 76 KW.

I'm guessing that Ford has slowed down the charging rate at DC fast chargers due to the problem with contactors welding shut. I'm wondering if anybody else has experienced a slowdown in DC fast charging as well?

Ford did not change the charging curve with the recall update.

 

[IgorKl]

The charging speed of 800v battery architecture is better than 400v. That's why we traded one of our MME to Ioniq 5. I saw 240kW or close to it charging when we got lucky to use 350kW EA stations, if it does not taken by Bolt or other slow charging EV

Unfortunately, EA charging stations are very badly maintained so when we charging HI5 next to our MME GT we see different power drawing numbers even at the same station., not talking about next stations.
Yes, most of the the time HI5 numbers are better, but not always.

 

[Schmetsky]

Battery architecture is changing quickly. It makes Ford Options an interesting way to go, as in 3 years the MME might have much faster charging and a 500 mile range...

 

[Vulnox]

That's a 300kw charger the Korean EVs will do 230kw all the way to 80%

That's not at all true. There are no EVs that will do their top speed all the way to 80%, not even close. Peak charging speed is just that and even in the highest end EVs it tapers off fairly quickly. The KIA/Hyundai will still do the 10-80% sprint faster than an MME, but not holding 230 all the way. Countless YouTube charging tests that show the same.

 

[Socalsp3]

That's not at all true. There are no EVs that will do their top speed all the way to 80%, not even close. Peak charging speed is just that and even in the highest end EVs it tapers off fairly quickly. The KIA/Hyundai will still do the 10-80% sprint faster than an MME, but not holding 230 all the way. Countless YouTube charging tests that show the same.

i regularly charge my hi5 10 to 80% at a constant 220-230kw on 350kw ea chargers.

 

[Vulnox]

i regularly charge my hi5 10 to 80% at a constant 220-230kw on 350kw ea chargers.

I regularly don't believe it unless there is something wrong with your car because that would be rough on the battery.



Above 50% on any charging video I found, it drops to the 150-170 range.

Still great, again I never said that that platform doesn't have great charging speeds for the price. But if you have a 10-80% 220-230kW HI5, then I would record that, as that would put it ahead of some of the monster chargers like the Porsche Taycan which has a higher charge max but also can't hold it through the entire charge, that would just be hell on batteries.

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