Lectron NACS to CCS Adapter

[kodiakng]

it looks like both A2ZEV and Lectron are happy chumming the waters early. ?

while final details will be interesting it does appear both are targeting 1000V/500A:

Lectron:

A2ZEV is a bit scattered so who knows what is real there but in the spec section that's been there from early on they say:

then in the update they put up today they note 500A:

but then in the "Updates and Information" link from the pic above they completely shoot their credibility on any of this by saying:

For enhanced safety, the final version of our adapter will solely support DC charging, eliminating the AC function. This decision was influenced by our observation that during DC charging, all pins are live, and having 500V coursing through the AC pins can compromise the AC circuit.

the fact this wasn't known to be an issue at concept stage makes me wonder about the quality of their design engineers.

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[ArthurDOB]

A lot of OEMs have said they are providing adapters for Free.

Exactly. Why would I buy this now when I don't know what might be coming from Ford, potentially for free? Until that's clear, my money stays in my wallet.

 

[Juneanglade_GT]

it looks like both A2ZEV and Lectron are happy chumming the waters early. ?

while final details will be interesting it does appear both are targeting 1000V/500A:

Lectron:

A2ZEV is a bit scattered so who knows what is real there but in the spec section that's been there from early on they say:

then in the update they put up today they note 500A:

but then in the "Updates and Information" link from the pic above they completely shoot their credibility on any of this by saying:



the fact this wasn't known to be an issue at concept stage makes me wonder about the quality of their design engineers.

it looks like both A2ZEV and Lectron are happy chumming the waters early. ?

while final details will be interesting it does appear both are targeting 1000V/500A:

Lectron:

A2ZEV is a bit scattered so who knows what is real there but in the spec section that's been there from early on they say:

then in the update they put up today they note 500A:

but then in the "Updates and Information" link from the pic above they completely shoot their credibility on any of this by saying:



the fact this wasn't known to be an issue at concept stage makes me wonder about the quality of their design engineers.

I spoke with them regarding that. You can actually speak with people at A2Z EV, I called them several times and spoke with Mr. Amin personally which is reassuring. I prefer a company that is transparent in their process and admit any mistake or whatever than a company without a customer service.

This is what I learned :
The change from 300A to 500A was influenced by the fact OEM's required a higher amperage than 300A and after their video with Tom, people were expecting higher amps so apparently they increased the copper plate size if I understood and remember correctly.

I don't mind them disclosing the discovery of a stupid logical fact such as the AC function risks, at least they are 100% honest and transparent on their process. The 300A seems to be a typo in their specification section. The fact their CEO came to show his face on Tom's channel shows their seriousness and dedication. 99% of the discussion was about safety.

Just for your information, I am following this subject very closely as I am a retired electrical engineer and is contracted by several companies for EV transition. I am not endorsing either companies, this is simply personal opinion.

I would be very concerned over Lectron specs, which they simply don't disclose and change abruptly.
I took a screenshot of their product's picture on Google. 2 days ago, it showed 400A, then today magically it shows 500A. See attachment. So in less than 48hours they added 100A.

One company is selling it right now to make a quick buck, the other is holding to gain authorization from Tesla and certifications.

 

[Mach-Lee]

Very unusual text. States that cars which support NACS will be able to use the adapter, and mentions Ford by name. Ford has said it is committed to NACS and *will* support, but ... does support? Not sure about that, of course, can't be sure because there are no adapters yet.

I think it's likely these adapters will work fine after Ford and Tesla do the integration so our MachE's are supported. However, a three month preorder doesn't seem sane.

A 3rd party adapter will probably work fine on most public chargers (such as a ChargePoint with a NACS cable), but do not expect them to work on Tesla Superchargers because Tesla likes to aggressively control hardware. They will not allow anything they didn’t make or certify to work on a Supercharger. As far as I’m concerned, only the Ford supplied NACS adapter will work on Tesla Superchargers, nothing else.

Upping the amperage is a game. If one company is going to make a 500A adapter, then the other companies will match that. That’s how Chinese companies roll.

The Ford adapter will most likely be certified for 350A with a considerable safety margin. Perhaps in time Tesla/Ford will allow the adapter to run up to 500A for a short time. V3 superchargers cables are certified to 350A but Tesla runs almost double that through them because they monitor the temps.

In reality, the only stations these A2ZEV and Lectron adapters will work on will already have a CCS cable (1 NACS, 1 CCS cable will be the standard config going forward), so there won’t be much point in owning one for some time. Just wait for the Ford one to come out so you know it will work for sure on Tesla Superchargers.

 

[67 Stang Convertible]

Exactly. Why would I buy this now when I don't know what might be coming from Ford, potentially for free? Until that's clear, my money stays in my wallet.

Oh, No; not this "Free" business again. Guys, when Farley sat down for that interview his phrasing was misleading (IMO). I believe, Ford has since come out and said there will be a charge for the adapter. I would be "shocked" if Ford provided free Adapters. It's just not going to happen. Ok, that's my rant.

 

[Guss-E 2021]

I think I'll just wait to get the officially sanctioned adapter from Ford and/or Tesla. More faith those will work properly and, if they don't, will be backed by the OEMs.

 

[Guss-E 2021]

Now? I’d say NOW we have zero choices.

Yah, jumping the shark a bit here folks. Lotta heat involved with DCFC and adapters introduce another point of failure. I say don't rush it. Likely, Ford and Tesla are already running tests. It gets here when it gets here. Just like BC 1.3 ?.

 

[generaltso]

Yah, jumping the shark a bit here folks.

While I do think that this topic has jumped the shark, I think you meant jumping the gun

 

[AZBill]

Bill, I have used the picture from their X account, it is not a supercharger but an NACS 160kW Chargepoint station...

So that one supports 1000v as well. The Ionics will get less than 100kw on Superchargers due to the voltage limit.

FYI the Hummer and Rivian can pull 170kw on working 150kw EA chargers, the 150 rating is really a minimum.

 

[AKgrampy]

Oh, No; not this "Free" business again. Guys, when Farley sat down for that interview his phrasing was misleading (IMO). I believe, Ford has since come out and said there will be a charge for the adapter. I would be "shocked" if Ford provided free Adapters. It's just not going to happen. Ok, that's my rant.

It may be free but if so it will have $250 S&H!

 

[Elmst-e]

I’m a little disappointed seeing The image. Having used a magic dock on the Mach-e I would say without a length of cord attached o the adaptor, it will be very difficult to use the current superchargers with their short cords. I would think a reputable company would research this and come up with a better design.

 

[Guss-E 2021]

While I do think that this topic has jumped the shark, I think you meant jumping the gun

Okay I looked up the meaning behind that saying and it does not at all mean what I thought it did ?. Too bad really because jumping the shark sounds much cooler than jumping the gun (and I get the race start reference there).

In the immortal words of Eddie Murphy: thank you for correcting my English which stinks!

 

[RickMachE]

I’m a little disappointed seeing The image. Having used a magic dock on the Mach-e I would say without a length of cord attached o the adaptor, it will be very difficult to use the current superchargers with their short cords. I would think a reputable company would research this and come up with a better design.

Been discussed multiple times. A cord would require cooling.

 

[milepost1]

https://fordauthority.com/2023/05/all-current-ford-ev-owners-will-get-tesla-nacs-adapter/

Yes for will send to everyone who pays.

 

[Space_Pony]

Yes for will send to everyone who pays.

“We’re going to ship an adapter to everyone who’s bought a Ford EV,” Farley said.

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