Mach-e GTPE loses to everything

[MarkP213]

Sorry to intrude on your thead. The time it took you to tell me that the thread is about GTPE, you could have just ignored my post or answered my question.

I don’t get people. We’re all here on this forum because we’re Mach-E owners or enthusiasts, and should be able to converse without the “forum police” chiming in.

To answer your question, the Mach-E Premium goes 0-60 in “4.8 Seconds with the Ext. Range Battery and eAWD” according to Ford. Hope that helps! ?

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[Thor2j]

3.7s. Ford marketed the GTPE as 3.5s, and to date, I've not seen anyone able to reproduce that time. Has anyone?

3.5 is from a roll as advertised by ford. I actually did 3.7 in my regular GT no roll on the street with all seasons with draggy. Yes, up at 8000 feet.

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

You are the one posting the article claiming it was a good review of the handling.

Now you’re super salty I direct quoted the article you posted?

The SS doesn’t even exist at this point and we are just speculating. Not sure why so testy.

And 1000 extra lbs to haul around is a lot. Especially when talking performance. It’s worth 100+ hp for acceleration and can kill handling and braking.

Imagine dropping your SS sedan to 3000 lbs or bloating it to 5000. You get the idea.

Yeah, 5k is porky but 6k….. well the “it weighs more than an Escalade” should tell you everything.

We’re just not going to agree on much it seems. The article was about a luxury Cadillac, and in that context it was not a bad review. However, when one reads the review as if it were for a performance suv, sure, not so glowing.

6000lbs you say?

https://www.caranddriver.com/mercedes-amg/eqs53

https://www.caranddriver.com/merced...g_gls63-4matic_mercedes-amg-gls63-4matic_2021

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a39633290/2022-bmw-ix-xdrive50-by-the-numbers/

That’s just 3 quick ones. 2 EV SUVs and one ICE. High Weight and good grip/braking aren’t as mutually exclusive as they were 15-20 yrs ago. Is less weight better? Sure. But going out and saying 6000 lbs automatically equals suck is just intellectually lazy imo. Tell that to Porsche, Bentley, Range Rover, Audi et al with their super size SUVs that can put down numbers like those I linked above.

 

[Mach1E]

We’re just not going to agree on much it seems. The article was about a luxury Cadillac, and in that context it was not a bad review. However, when one reads the review as if it were for a performance suv, sure, not so glowing.

6000lbs you say?

https://www.caranddriver.com/mercedes-amg/eqs53

https://www.caranddriver.com/merced...g_gls63-4matic_mercedes-amg-gls63-4matic_2021

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a39633290/2022-bmw-ix-xdrive50-by-the-numbers/

That’s just 3 quick ones. 2 EV SUVs and one ICE. High Weight and good grip/braking aren’t as mutually exclusive as they were 15-20 yrs ago. Is less weight better? Sure. But going out and saying 6000 lbs automatically equals suck is just intellectually lazy imo. Tell that to Porsche, Bentley, Range Rover, Audi et al with their super size SUVs that can put down numbers like those I linked above.

That’s fair, it is possible.

And if the SS were built on any of the above platforms, I’d be more optimistic.

Instead, its starting point is the poor handling Lyriq. No doubt it’ll be tuned more for performance than the Cadillac, I’m just not expecting much.

My guess is the SS will follow the same exact formula of all the rest of the cars in this thread that “beat” the GTPE.

GTPE will win off the line, handling and braking. SS will win the top end acceleration. 1/4 mile? My guess is super close in E/T with trap speed for the SS. Might even take more than a 1/4 mile for the SS to pass. Mid 12s is my guess either way.

It is interesting how the GTPE can win every performance category but 1 (top end acceleration) and be constantly declared the loser.

 

[bbhaag]

He compared the Mach-E to a SLR McLaren which is a $300,000-400,000 vehicle. This thread is a fucking joke.....

 

[Ghost Ryder]

It is interesting how the GTPE can win every performance category but 1 (top end acceleration) and be constantly declared the loser.

Technically, when you cross the finish line last, you're usually declared the loser.

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

Turbos baby, just like Taycan Turbo S ?

 

[silverelan]

Jason Cammisa was very kind to find something nice to say about the MME GT. It's old news now that the MME GT pulls the plug after 5 seconds. What's interesting is seeing what that looks like over and over again in these drag races. 3 more seconds of full power would make a difference. Oh well. At least the MME looks good while going backwards.

This German reviewer demonstrates how the MME GT cannot hit its top speed from zero. But he shows the trick to get top speed is to back off to 180kph, then floor it again.

 

[Thor2j]

Thin air, less resistance

 

[Guss-E 2021]

I can’t imagine any movement on the 5s limit until Ford has figured out how to implement a universal upgrade of the HVBJB hardware.

Um, yah, pretty much this. And the GV 60 inhaled its charge capacity trying to maintain that aggressive level of acceleration. The 0-70 on the Mach-E is so fun and then I'm at highway speeds so I'm good.

 

[SWO]

I’ll enjoy my SS sedan, my wife can enjoy the Blazer SS. Funny watching people on here decry 6K lb EVs whilst driving neutered 5K lb EVs. Seriously, it’s a laugher.

Shrugging off a half ton weight difference is definitely a laugher.

Personally, I'll wait until these vehicles start appearing in real people's hands. So far, GM has only succeeded in delivering a 9500lb meme truck and a car famous for being banned from parking garages due to it's proclivity for catching on fire. Besides that, you have the Volt PHEV, which GM managed to lose money on despite gov't subsidies. Spark EV was a limited production compliance import and doesn't count, though it might be GM's best EV even if they only stuck their name on it.

 

[Panzer948]

Shrugging off a half ton weight difference is definitely a laugher.

Personally, I'll wait until these vehicles start appearing in real people's hands. So far, GM has only succeeded in delivering a 9500lb meme truck and a car famous for being banned from parking garages due to it's proclivity for catching on fire. Besides that, you have the Volt PHEV, which GM managed to lose money on despite gov't subsidies. Spark EV was a limited production compliance import and doesn't count, though it might be GM's best EV even if they only stuck their name on it.

Hey now, I am actually selling my first year model Chevy Volt for this Mustang Mach E. Yes, GM did an awful job at marketing that car and should have emphasized its PHEV characterics more. But GM did take very good care of me as a first year/early adopter customer, which sounds like some of the folks who did the same with the Mach E didn't enjoy. I had GM Engineers calling me on any little matter, even if related to faulty public charging stations. Heck they even sent me a very nice scale model of the Volt. To be fair, Ford has done some similar things as an early Bronco owner but obviously that is a little different since we are dealing with new technology here.

 

[Mach1E]

Technically, when you cross the finish line last, you're usually declared the loser.

Fair, but it seems like the 1/4 mile is the only performance test they bother comparing.

Pick anything else to compare and the GTPE is better than the rest of the list.

But no one seems to notice anyways.

 

[buzznwood]

Fair, but it seems like the 1/4 mile is the only performance test they bother comparing.

Pick anything else to compare and the GTPE is better than the rest of the list.

But no one seems to notice anyways.

Problem is the other performance metrics soon start to become pretty irrelevant, as having good handling so you can maintain speed through corners and good brakes to be able to scrub it off with confidence when needed are all well an good when you actually have need for them.

Do the test around a track where that matters and the GTPE will still be coming up the rear as would been pulling power constantly.

While the 5 second kryptonite albatross hangs around its neck it doesn't really matter how well the other aspects of the GTPE may be if they can never be utilized to there full potential.

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